Notices
Forced Induction Turbochargers and Superchargers..Got Boost?

What are "cross gear sets"?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 8, 2007 | 10:38 PM
  #1  
mavtais's Avatar
mavtais
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,074
Likes: 0
From: CentralCal - Fresno
Question What are "cross gear sets"?

Companies like OS Giken and Spoon make "cross gear sets"
What does that mean? They use it separately from something like a close-ratio gear set. Is this a type of gear design or what? And I only notice the Japanese & UK mention the term, but what is the difference?
http://www.justjap.com/parts_ngearbox.htm
http://www.modacar.com/products/Honda/Civic/GEARSET/
http://www.greenline.jp/catalogue/bt...pe=Gear%20Sets

edit: Oh $H!+ I just noticed this was posted in FI.

Last edited by mavtais; Aug 8, 2007 at 10:46 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 09:28 AM
  #2  
i8acobra's Avatar
i8acobra
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,033
Likes: 1,337
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

They're not really "cross gear sets", they're "cross-cut gear sets" or "straight-cut gear sets". Basically, it's means the gears are not helical. Straight-cut gears have their teeth parallel to the rotating axis. Helical-cut gears have their teeth at an angle to the rotating axis. Straight-cut gears are usually stronger, but noisier that helical-cut gears. Most racing gearboxes use straight-cut gears. Most OEM boxes use helical-cut gears. Also, most straight-cut gear sets use "dog" style engagement, while helical sets usually use synchros.
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 11:12 AM
  #3  
mavtais's Avatar
mavtais
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,074
Likes: 0
From: CentralCal - Fresno
Default

So, does the Z come with cross gears? They look like they are kind of helical, but really just cut diagonally. I know it comes with synchros (I know what those are). Here's a picture courtesy of BriGuyMax from his thread titled "Professional analysis and pictures of our 6MT internals"
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/246117-professional-analysis-and-pictures-of-our-6mt-internals.html
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 11:13 AM
  #4  
sentry65's Avatar
sentry65
the burninator
Premier Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 9,722
Likes: 2
From: phoenix, AZ
Default

yes, all street cars come with cross cut angled gears

usually only race cars or highly modified cars use straight cut gears
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 11:59 AM
  #5  
Netko350Z's Avatar
Netko350Z
Registered User
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,033
Likes: 7
From: Pennsylvania
Default

I believe the reverse gears are straight cut
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 01:51 PM
  #6  
RA11325's Avatar
RA11325
Banned
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,918
Likes: 0
Default

An advantage to straight cut is that you can beat the holy hell out of them and they will last for a long time, power-shifting, etc. The main disadvantage is that shifting always requires rev-matching, also they are very loud.
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 02:01 PM
  #7  
simonfencer's Avatar
simonfencer
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
From: Bothell, WA
Default

Originally Posted by Vash350Z
An advantage to straight cut is that you can beat the holy hell out of them and they will last for a long time, power-shifting, etc. The main disadvantage is that shifting always requires rev-matching, also they are very loud.
Yes, they are very loud...and manufacturers spend huge piles of money on ways to make gearboxes quiet, I doubt they would want to spend even more money.

Now, one place where the might start to show up in the future is in computer controled manual gearboxes, where other than the user pulling a paddle they don't have any control over the actual shift.
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2007 | 02:38 PM
  #8  
sentry65's Avatar
sentry65
the burninator
Premier Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 9,722
Likes: 2
From: phoenix, AZ
Default

no you can have straight cut gears with syncros

only a dog box with straight cut gears require exact rev matching
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sherm
Engine & Drivetrain
15
Apr 11, 2020 05:21 PM
sales@czp
Engine
33
Sep 23, 2019 03:30 PM
_bit
New Owners
5
Oct 2, 2015 07:49 AM
Conway_160
Drag
3
Sep 29, 2015 08:07 AM
Bodyboarder81
Forced Induction
13
Sep 21, 2015 06:23 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:51 AM.