Relentless Autosports is NOT VRT, the way it all went down
10-24-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cubu
yeah, i keep seeing people say that it is resolved, but i don't see how.... seems like it was brushed aside and some hush hush was involved.
people's questions about the method of the build or components was addressed, but as you stated, possibly not to the level some people wanted, but really Scott has no reason nor responsiblity to sate his critics desires...
10-24-2007, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cubu
and why after all this time does Scott post this? why not post it before forum members got ripped and threads coming up? why not after threads started popping up? why not post this to help the ripped off? it is posted now for personal benefit.
Its crazy to me how some poeple can read something and come up with completely different viewpoints.
10-24-2007, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cubu
yeah, i keep seeing people say that it is resolved, but i don't see how.... seems like it was brushed aside and some hush hush was involved.
I can't wait to see that thing make some 500-600+ whp numbers and see what everyone says about it then. Then I want to drive that car with that motor at some grueling track events next year for the owners of it and prove what it will do.
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10-24-2007, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MMC Racing
OT, but I hope you and all the shops in Southern California and their families are safe right now.
10-24-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
I wanted to go on here and post all the shadyness as soon as it all started, I was advised by my atturney not to do anything like that at that time, as per the contract that I had with Mr A. when we started VRT. I was sure he would sue me for slander. I DID worn as many people as I could about it and can prove it.
Its crazy to me how some poeple can read something and come up with completely different viewpoints.
Its crazy to me how some poeple can read something and come up with completely different viewpoints.
And to whoever said something about reliable cars from RA, there are quite a few. Me, iStan, Nforce1, SinCity350Z, VegasZ35TH. These are just in Vegas. All have some sort of FI. I know there are many others, I just don't know them personally.
10-24-2007, 09:26 PM
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Excellent write up Scott. Some people have made up there minds( and might exaggerate on some comments)... but its true...unfortunatly because of VRT you will have to do 2 thigns... register as a vendor(when moeny allows but worth it) and post/show up your work as much as possible.
Since some people have their doubts maybe you can scan some of the paperwork showing you legit shop on Cali(yes i know..kinda PITA...but again... i just dunno any other way that you can prove this fact otherwise, perhaps after this some of the most stronger doubters can at least start to give lil by lil the benefit of the doubt to RA, if you can show them the facts more)
Jisnis probably failed to read the fact that gtspec(i spoke at length about this issue with noah) and the customer both expressed that this wasnt any scam with all parties involved...despite the length of the thread and how much OT it went.
Its a great step to dyno this engine in question in a dyno-jet during SEMA and hope many of the people who have doubts(even myself included) get a chance to see if the engine can back up what you say it can.
Also, I hope you can encourage your customers on future builds to a dynojet run after its done since this has ben a sticky point with many on the dynosheets. (regardless of the 1 comaprison you have so far witht eh dynoshop sheet vs the jwt dyno sheet).
Philty offered to cover the cost on a dyno run and I believe GTm also offered dyno time at no cost as well
Also i guess some of the posts, unfortunatly did has a lil tone like back with in the vrt days, so you migth wanna choose a different way write some stuff when posted, so that way it cant be argued "it soundes the same".
These will be a long process, but i think the more and more you post of your work accomplishments...horror stories turned to a success, etc etc... the more people will believe.
Best of luck with all, just like many who have their doubts, we are all waiting to get proven wrong. If not.....u know what will happen
maybe setting up a Vegas meet that includes a dyno day at a local dynojet could be pretty cool and then post the sheets(if you are an RA customer) ... i know many of you defend Scott here so this would be good if you guys are up for it 
...just an idea..
that sucks... BUT i hope MR A$$ house burned though
Since some people have their doubts maybe you can scan some of the paperwork showing you legit shop on Cali(yes i know..kinda PITA...but again... i just dunno any other way that you can prove this fact otherwise, perhaps after this some of the most stronger doubters can at least start to give lil by lil the benefit of the doubt to RA, if you can show them the facts more)
Jisnis probably failed to read the fact that gtspec(i spoke at length about this issue with noah) and the customer both expressed that this wasnt any scam with all parties involved...despite the length of the thread and how much OT it went.
Its a great step to dyno this engine in question in a dyno-jet during SEMA and hope many of the people who have doubts(even myself included) get a chance to see if the engine can back up what you say it can.
Also, I hope you can encourage your customers on future builds to a dynojet run after its done since this has ben a sticky point with many on the dynosheets. (regardless of the 1 comaprison you have so far witht eh dynoshop sheet vs the jwt dyno sheet).
Philty offered to cover the cost on a dyno run and I believe GTm also offered dyno time at no cost as well
Also i guess some of the posts, unfortunatly did has a lil tone like back with in the vrt days, so you migth wanna choose a different way write some stuff when posted, so that way it cant be argued "it soundes the same".
These will be a long process, but i think the more and more you post of your work accomplishments...horror stories turned to a success, etc etc... the more people will believe.
Best of luck with all, just like many who have their doubts, we are all waiting to get proven wrong. If not.....u know what will happen
Originally Posted by Canadian
And to whoever said something about reliable cars from RA, there are quite a few. Me, iStan, Nforce1, SinCity350Z, VegasZ35TH. These are just in Vegas. All have some sort of FI. I know there are many others, I just don't know them personally.
...just an idea..
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Thanks. I am very stressed out about this as well as all the other SEMA prep, and Time Attack car prep we have to get done. The road to where our shop is has been closed and evacuated for 3 days now. I have been helping some of my friends get out of their houses this whole week. Some of them lost their houses already.
that sucks... BUT i hope MR A$$ house burned though
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10-24-2007, 09:30 PM
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Honestly, if you think about it, Scott, Mike and the whole RA gang are in a catch-22.
If he addresses the critics: he may get slammed for coming up with "voodoo" trickery, endless lines of criticism, or people may simply not believe his explanations provide enough info. there was also one person who posted that "his grammer is bad, and i got a headache trying to read what he said"
If he doesn't address the critics: people may say he's keeping quiet b/c he has no reasonable explanation, or that he mysteriously disappeared.
I know that many of his opinions go against the grain of what is common knowledge amongst those who build, or own FI'd VQs. However, no one who has personally gone through RA, has made claims of being ripped off. I've talked with him on the phone, and I have never gotten the feeling that he's out to scam anyone. Also, he has posted some dynos about one horror story, and the DoubleDown Z, albeit not on a DJ. However, i'm sure that he knows there is more to lose by lying, so why would he...
If he addresses the critics: he may get slammed for coming up with "voodoo" trickery, endless lines of criticism, or people may simply not believe his explanations provide enough info. there was also one person who posted that "his grammer is bad, and i got a headache trying to read what he said"
If he doesn't address the critics: people may say he's keeping quiet b/c he has no reasonable explanation, or that he mysteriously disappeared.
I know that many of his opinions go against the grain of what is common knowledge amongst those who build, or own FI'd VQs. However, no one who has personally gone through RA, has made claims of being ripped off. I've talked with him on the phone, and I have never gotten the feeling that he's out to scam anyone. Also, he has posted some dynos about one horror story, and the DoubleDown Z, albeit not on a DJ. However, i'm sure that he knows there is more to lose by lying, so why would he...
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10-24-2007, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by usingthejohn
However, i'm sure that he knows there is more to lose by lying, so why would he...
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Originally Posted by usingthejohn
"his grammer is bad, and i got a headache trying to read what he said"
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10-25-2007, 01:29 AM
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I had lunch this week with Scott, Jim Wolf, Clark Steppler and Mike Kojima. There is absolutely NOTHING amiss with Scott's business practice past OR present. Many members here (understandably) have no idea of the day to day
business dealings Scott has with customers and his vendors. He knows what he is doing, and he knew what he was doing when he took his legal counsels advice to STFU and left VRT a year ago. Both he and Mark were extremely angry about Mike A. and the havoc he began creating. And back then, when he, Mark B. and myself warned people about Mike A. people were in disbelief and denial about it. Hell, Mark B. left Mossy Nissan and a healthy 401K to go work for VRT, you don't think he was pissed having a wife and kids? Scott and Mark are good people.
business dealings Scott has with customers and his vendors. He knows what he is doing, and he knew what he was doing when he took his legal counsels advice to STFU and left VRT a year ago. Both he and Mark were extremely angry about Mike A. and the havoc he began creating. And back then, when he, Mark B. and myself warned people about Mike A. people were in disbelief and denial about it. Hell, Mark B. left Mossy Nissan and a healthy 401K to go work for VRT, you don't think he was pissed having a wife and kids? Scott and Mark are good people.
Originally Posted by usingthejohn
Honestly, if you think about it, Scott, Mike and the whole RA gang are in a catch-22.
If he addresses the critics: he may get slammed for coming up with "voodoo" trickery, endless lines of criticism, or people may simply not believe his explanations provide enough info. there was also one person who posted that "his grammer is bad, and i got a headache trying to read what he said"
If he doesn't address the critics: people may say he's keeping quiet b/c he has no reasonable explanation, or that he mysteriously disappeared.
I know that many of his opinions go against the grain of what is common knowledge amongst those who build, or own FI'd VQs. However, no one who has personally gone through RA, has made claims of being ripped off. I've talked with him on the phone, and I have never gotten the feeling that he's out to scam anyone. Also, he has posted some dynos about one horror story, and the DoubleDown Z, albeit not on a DJ. However, i'm sure that he knows there is more to lose by lying, so why would he...
If he addresses the critics: he may get slammed for coming up with "voodoo" trickery, endless lines of criticism, or people may simply not believe his explanations provide enough info. there was also one person who posted that "his grammer is bad, and i got a headache trying to read what he said"
If he doesn't address the critics: people may say he's keeping quiet b/c he has no reasonable explanation, or that he mysteriously disappeared.
I know that many of his opinions go against the grain of what is common knowledge amongst those who build, or own FI'd VQs. However, no one who has personally gone through RA, has made claims of being ripped off. I've talked with him on the phone, and I have never gotten the feeling that he's out to scam anyone. Also, he has posted some dynos about one horror story, and the DoubleDown Z, albeit not on a DJ. However, i'm sure that he knows there is more to lose by lying, so why would he...
10-25-2007, 02:12 AM
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Hopefully people realize that its the same small group of people that post negatively about Scott and RA and that no matter what Scott does, they will always find something. Fact is, none of these "haters" have ever had any first hand experience with Scott, Mark, or anything else RA. All of their comments are based off of rumors and assumptions and thats the bottom line.
10-25-2007, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SinCity350Z
Hopefully people realize that its the same small group of people that post negatively about Scott and RA and that no matter what Scott does, they will always find something.
Funny, the group of people that have questions about RA are pretty much the SAME group of people that had questions about VRT...
Time will tell - just hope no one gets hurts this time around... Good Luck.
This still has nothing to do with FI - it's shop promotion/damage control - become a forum Vendor ALREADY! Mods should start deleting your posts IMO...
10-25-2007, 04:06 AM
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Good luck RA...
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
(moderators, this is not a buisness plug, rather a explanation)
Scott Bush @ Relentless Autosports LLC
Scott Bush @ Relentless Autosports LLC
) Try paypaling Jason its only $100 per month to post all you want about your shop/experiences.To me and all the paying sponsors here, it sounds like a clear and blatent "breach of contract" going on. Perhaps we need to get our lawyers involved.
The T.O.S. clearly state:
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To date I have reported their posts aproximately 6 times. I will continue to do so until they become PAYING sponsors, or are BANISHED for good.
I am not trying to start drama, I would just like the vendor contract I am paying for enforced by the Admins and mods properly enforcing the T.O.S. we all agreed upon. This is in no way a flame or bash,but a simple request.
Thread reported to all of the admins via PM
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10-25-2007, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vandyG
that's terrible! who would say something like that?
10-25-2007, 05:23 AM
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I think WA2GOOD should sue for slander over these boards. MRC you obviously learned to read the rules/contracts. Now go read about slander and liable. You are making comments about another person/company that you have no direct experience/dealings with. Your comments could affect their business and personal life.
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Originally Posted by SinCity350Z
Hopefully people realize that its the same small group of people that post negatively about Scott and RA and that no matter what Scott does, they will always find something. Fact is, none of these "haters" have ever had any first hand experience with Scott, Mark, or anything else RA. All of their comments are based off of rumors and assumptions and thats the bottom line.
It's the same FP nut huggers.
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Originally Posted by josh846
I think WA2GOOD should sue for slander over these boards. MRC you obviously learned to read the rules/contracts. Now go read about slander and liable. You are making comments about another person/company that you have no direct experience/dealings with. Your comments could affect their business and personal life.
I in no way slandered a person directly with a full name and full business name.