see money is not the issue. .the less i have to alter the vehicle the better in my eyes..so far the pro charger unit is the only one i can see that does less as far as alter's the vehicles systems like, computer/fuel. . .all i need is the fuel pump that it comes with and the unit itself. .nothing else is required except for the inter cooler that it comes with. .thats my only concern. .i kno what has to be done for most apps. .i just dont wanna start Frankensteining my z to where im going to have problems. .IF i have to do most of what your all saying then the hell with it. .thanx

 

You are comparing APS to Procharger.. APS is one the most complete system out there since it comes with EMS already. Fine be stubborn and stick with your ATI and don't change anything. We already said so many times that ATI doesn't have the capability to alter your timing curve, you come here and ask question and we try to direct you to the right path and you still insist about the ATI as being complete.

 

just make sure you run race fuel and/or water/meth injection with the ATI if you're going to use the stock fuel computer it comes with. There's many many people who blew their engine with the stock ATI setup who would agree...or wish they'd at least have known it didn't retard the timing at all

or you might be able to pick up a used SS box to use instead
it's really not any more complicated than what ATI ships their kits with. You hook it up just the same, except you can actually control what's going on and have the car professionally tuned

 

im not being stubborn man. .but the more you change the more things F _ C K up so to say. .the less you change the better it is. .i still have to research and rethink my options and im taking in all your opinions but ultimately im going to make my own decision. .i've seen many issue's with blown motor's or seals. .or oil leaks, and im just going with my best long run option with the less problems after the fact. .

 

In ATI's (or any other FI kit) case then you need to change settings coz the FACTORY TIMING curve is tune for NA application and not for boost!!! Dont you get it that when putting FI in your engine, you ultimately change air flow that is coming in your engine. Are you saying that the FACTORY ECU CAN HANDLE MORE BOOST/AIR COMING IN AND THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE YOUR TIMING CURVE? Then by all mean stay with that kind of thinking. Gees, even NA guys start tuning their car once they are heavily modded. If you are afraid of things breaking down then I strongly suggest not to Mod your Car coz chit will always happen.

By the way, people who blew their motor are the one who actually didnt tune their car...

 

well IMO, the good kits that aren't too expensive and have good reputations for running well out of the box are (in no order):

STS single turbo
APS single turbo
vortech
HKS supercharger
stillen





the kits that are known for working really well also right out of the box, but are a little more expensive are:

APS TT
PE TT
JWT TT





the kits that are known for blowing engines and being dangerous right out of the box with what they come with are:

greddy TT
turbonetics single turbo
ATI procharger

Usually the people who use these kits change the parts that cause the potential danger -which is almost always the engine management





There's other kits out there that are really good too, but are a bit more specialized and custom. Or they're so brand new not many have really used them yet to know what issues they might have.

 

perhaps this may help you understand what im talking about. . .

 

carburetors are simpler than fuel injection motors

in the day of a computer controlled fuel injection engine, you want to be able to control the engine and you do that with a computer

With the ATI, you're still installing something that lets more fuel in.
Instead of that unit, you might as well install something that does that AND lets you adjust timing

good luck

 

You still don't get it. Fine believe what ATI say. oh, Greddy come with Emanage and that EMS also doesn't have the capability to control your timing so guess what, people don't use them!!! We are giving you real world advise and for a NOOB in FI you are persistent. I give up and fine go buy the complete ATI and report to us after a few months.

 

http://www.procharger.com/. . .hey i'll call them when i can and get the truth of what i need. .

 

I thought you want a peace of mind that things will be safe and reliable. TN come with a Reflash and some swear about it but some hate it coz it blew their motor. If you talk to TN then they will say it is good enough. Greddy come with EManage and almost everyone think it is garbage but Greddy still ship the kit with it. Some FI kits doesn't go through extensive R&D so who do you trust. There are countless of years of experience on this board and I'm pretty sure they will all agree that having a good EMS will save you headache and your motor. I'm really amazed how much you resist the advice from this forum. If $$ is not a concern like you said then I'm pretty sure majority of guys here will opt for a FULL STANDALONE EMS (Engine Management System). Think about it, the EMS will be the brain that will make sure everything work right or the way they are supposed too. Why are you so hesitant to put a Good EMS if you are really concern about safety and reliability.... . It would've been ok if ATI come with a decent EMS but it doesn't come with it at all!!! You my friend really amaze me.

 

there's no need to get worked up

he'll buy whatever he wants
all anyone can do here is give out advice and he's not obligated to take it

 

reason i may also go with the pro is because i've seen and someone near me has it in their car..and so far not one problem has occurred with their car as of yet. It's been about a year through racing and daily driving and the person has told me that everything runs fine with out the EMS. .gamato!!!!

plus the cars that already have it without problem
http://www.procharger.com/350z_profiles.shtml

 

some of those cars I know did have some problems with various things, but they figured out work arounds


anyway, go for it if you really like it.

It's actually a decent kit if you keep it under 430whp - which you'd have to if you aren't changing out the injectors. The timing issue is something to be aware of though. Maybe you have access to 93 or 94 octane gas at the pump there and that's enough to prevent detonation with the aggressive timing

 

Sounds to me like you've already decided on the Procharger and want us to agree with you.

That is unlikely to happen.

 

\I just got off the phone with ATI, and i explained everything that your telling me , and everything that i want. .I did ask and tell them that im fighting with people who are telling me that i need an EMS if i go with the PRO. .they told me that for my 03 Z. .NO EMS IS REQUIRED!!!!!!!!!!

I REST MY CASE!!!!!

 

This guy cracks me up.

 

well it's always nice to blindly believe a manufacturer. Can't go wrong with it sounding good over the phone. ATI isn't well known for their customer service once you actually have their kit...

no I guess an EMS isn't required just like a good brake kit or high temp brake fluid isn't required for tracking the car hard on a road course

 

I guess everyone is so fast to jump around the Stand Alone band wagon!! Haltech, Fcon, ProEFI, Motec, you are all a Con artist!! ATI said I don't need any EMS on my car

Unsubscribing.

 

well. .lets say i buy the kit. .not requiring the ems. ..and something goes wrong to where i find out that i need one. .i wont be talking about it on the forum. .i'll fly out to wherever the F_ _ K ATI is located and i'll be having a words with whoever i need to talk to about getting me w/e it is that i need to be in the clear. .

you cannot FALSE advertise. . .then i can get into legal matters with them. .