Used Turbonetics Kit Please help!
Originally Posted by Klei14
Why dont you just let Vin handle this for you?
why would he pay Vinny Ten to fix his car when Turbonectics can probably handle it for free?
i understand supporting your shop and all but make some sense when you give advice
^^ obviously the part is going to have to be reinstalled, and most likely the shop that installed it 1st time around will do it again. Turbonetics isnt goin to install it for him.. So why wouldnt you involve VTR?
Originally Posted by str8dum1
^^ obviously the part is going to have to be reinstalled, and most likely the shop that installed it 1st time around will do it again. Turbonetics isnt goin to install it for him.. So why wouldnt you involve VTR?
if Ed sends him the part for free.. and he installs it for free.. why would he drive 100 miles to VTR.. then have VTR charge him for the part.. pay for the toll to get to VTR and then pay VTR the labor to put the part on he just took off himself
not to mention paying toll back.. paying gas back..
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I'm not saying the problem was the weld only, but if it was welded correctly, the weld would not have broken off, from what I can see, It looks like a TIG weld, and it doesnt LOOK like a bad weld, but looks can be deceiving, If this guy welded it on & then for some reason tryed to cool it down quickly, well that right there would have caused stress fractures.
Welds are complicated, but I think it wasnt done correctly.
Welds are complicated, but I think it wasnt done correctly.
I agree with Ahsmo. Depending on which exhaust you have and how the kit was made/pipes routed, it could strain parts. I installed a PE kit on a friends 350Z, he had test pipes installed & cracked the casted manifolds. The weight of the exhaust was pulling on the manifolds. Two brackets where the stock cats mounted up & 6 inches of flex pipe welded into the front of the cat-back fixed everything.
I've heard nothing but good cust service from those guys, they should take care of you but you may look into preventing this from happening again.
I've heard nothing but good cust service from those guys, they should take care of you but you may look into preventing this from happening again.
Originally Posted by Ahsmo
I doubt it was a problem with their welds. It was more a problem of the piece being strained for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted by taurran
Well, that's an overgeneralized statement. It's certainly one of the hardest to install properly, ala not just a bracket on the front of the motor. It's also probably the most common kit on the road. It's like reading the reviews on amazon.com, people are far more likely to post something if they have something negative to say.
As far as the pipe being broken... The only reason it would break a weld like that is if it were installed misaligned and torqued into place then bracketed down, or if the car were bottomed out hard at some time. 5k of normal operation will not snap a pipe like that.
That being said, I'd give Turbonetics a call and see what they can do for you. Ed is on this forum and can assist with customer service issues. I'll make sure to point them to this thread so they'll know you bash first and ask questions later.
As far as the pipe being broken... The only reason it would break a weld like that is if it were installed misaligned and torqued into place then bracketed down, or if the car were bottomed out hard at some time. 5k of normal operation will not snap a pipe like that.
That being said, I'd give Turbonetics a call and see what they can do for you. Ed is on this forum and can assist with customer service issues. I'll make sure to point them to this thread so they'll know you bash first and ask questions later.
Originally Posted by QuadCam
A good weld is stronger than the pieces it is connecting. meaning that the pipe should fail before the weld.
Originally Posted by FrickU
Very common kit, with lots of LAG, pretty annoying to install, but they do have great customer service.
I take that back... I'm positive you don't know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by taurran
You probably have no idea what you're talking about if you think the kit's 60-1 has "lots of lag".
I take that back... I'm positive you don't know what you're talking about.
I take that back... I'm positive you don't know what you're talking about.
you are completely right, Im sorry I don't know anything... Nice Z btw
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You obviously dont know anything about welding.
If 2 peices of pipe are welded together correctly, it now becomes 1 peice of pipe, therefore, pipe breaking off at the weld = crappy *** weld. This is not something to be argued about, I have been welding for years & my dad welded for 40, his opinion is the same as mine.
Get someone who knows what there doing to weld it back up, seriously.
If 2 peices of pipe are welded together correctly, it now becomes 1 peice of pipe, therefore, pipe breaking off at the weld = crappy *** weld. This is not something to be argued about, I have been welding for years & my dad welded for 40, his opinion is the same as mine.
Get someone who knows what there doing to weld it back up, seriously.
Originally Posted by ickysz
You obviously dont know anything about welding.
If 2 peices of pipe are welded together correctly, it now becomes 1 peice of pipe, therefore, pipe breaking off at the weld = crappy *** weld. This is not something to be argued about, I have been welding for years & my dad welded for 40, his opinion is the same as mine.
Get someone who knows what there doing to weld it back up, seriously.
If 2 peices of pipe are welded together correctly, it now becomes 1 peice of pipe, therefore, pipe breaking off at the weld = crappy *** weld. This is not something to be argued about, I have been welding for years & my dad welded for 40, his opinion is the same as mine.
Get someone who knows what there doing to weld it back up, seriously.
I think the OP should sell his turbonetics kit and buy something else. Forget welding anything up.
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Originally Posted by doug
obviously if he took the part off.. he is fully capable of putting a new piece back on
if Ed sends him the part for free.. and he installs it for free.. why would he drive 100 miles to VTR.. then have VTR charge him for the part.. pay for the toll to get to VTR and then pay VTR the labor to put the part on he just took off himself not to mention paying toll back.. paying gas back..
if Ed sends him the part for free.. and he installs it for free.. why would he drive 100 miles to VTR.. then have VTR charge him for the part.. pay for the toll to get to VTR and then pay VTR the labor to put the part on he just took off himself
not to mention paying toll back.. paying gas back..I'm lucky to live only about 25mins from his shop, so for me it would be easier to just go there and let Vin deal with Turbonetics.
Originally Posted by ickysz
You obviously dont know anything about welding.
If 2 peices of pipe are welded together correctly, it now becomes 1 peice of pipe, therefore, pipe breaking off at the weld = crappy *** weld. This is not something to be argued about, I have been welding for years & my dad welded for 40, his opinion is the same as mine.
Get someone who knows what there doing to weld it back up, seriously.
If 2 peices of pipe are welded together correctly, it now becomes 1 peice of pipe, therefore, pipe breaking off at the weld = crappy *** weld. This is not something to be argued about, I have been welding for years & my dad welded for 40, his opinion is the same as mine.
Get someone who knows what there doing to weld it back up, seriously.
Originally Posted by QuadCam
A good weld is stronger than the pieces it is connecting. meaning that the pipe should fail before the weld.
The only weld type that I know of that has no effect on the surrouding material is friction stir welding. Perfect welds with no residual stresses left over.
It was a poor weld, it does happen. It's actually pretty clear from the pic, given how clean it broke off and left the beads so neat.
Turbonetcs should do something about it. I'd just contact them since everyone seems to have good luck with their customer service.
Turbonetcs should do something about it. I'd just contact them since everyone seems to have good luck with their customer service.
Originally Posted by Ahsmo
It looks to me like it failed around the weld.
True but what does that really mean? The weld is plenty strong but does it have the same properties of the material, not at all. What about the surrounding material? Welding changes everything. That welder's truism is determined by the filler material and the process.
The only weld type that I know of that has no effect on the surrouding material is friction stir welding. Perfect welds with no residual stresses left over.
True but what does that really mean? The weld is plenty strong but does it have the same properties of the material, not at all. What about the surrounding material? Welding changes everything. That welder's truism is determined by the filler material and the process.
The only weld type that I know of that has no effect on the surrouding material is friction stir welding. Perfect welds with no residual stresses left over.