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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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Damn that plenum looks weak...... Hey please change the thread title.. It freaked me out..
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay'Z
Damn that plenum looks weak...... Hey please change the thread title.. It freaked me out..

Pay your PM dues!

The plenum is part of the motor!
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Damn, dude. Sorry man, I had overslept.
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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I must say i cant stop looking at the cracked up plenum... Looks like its made of fiberglass..
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay'Z
I must say i cant stop looking at the cracked up plenum... Looks like its made of fiberglass..
or pot medal. Well none the less nice pass you made.
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Billhyco
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, wasn't there a plenum that looked similiar to this at ZdayZ last year????
I limped around on Saturday after cracking the welds on the original Crawford plenum I had on the car since it was NA. Mike the Powdercoater then graciously donated the black one he had up for auction, then I won it at the raffle, so it was an early trade!
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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damn .. sorry about the plenum...but damn you got a strong motor!!! I would gladly take a blown plenum and F@#Ked hood anyday over a blown motor!!!

so i guess the best options are new Cosworth or OEM w/spacer as far as plenums go!!??

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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by IslandZavage
so i guess the best options are new Cosworth or OEM w/spacer as far as plenums go!!??
You think the CF endcaps on the cosworth would have survived when the aluminum crawford was blown to pieces?

I can only imagine what my kinetix v+ would have looked like, lol.
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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i know the Cosworth is still suspect until further use is out, but so far none have emploded that i know of...lol.. i think imma keep my OEM w/spacer for my build though..lol..
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 10:23 PM
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D@mn! We were just talking about this stuff and I popped on and found this thread. Lame but I think even I'm glad it wasn't anything internal Glad to see somebody shooting for 10s! GL
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hal@IP
. I had the same thing happen to my maxima's intake manifold when I had a nitrous backfire - .
I had a similar N20, Nitrous, Nawz, issue happen also....In fact, I did not think this was even possible without Nitrous on a car I guess you learn something everyday..
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:54 AM
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I thought Luie said he didn't spray, so it wasn't a N20 backfire.

If I'm not mistaken the Injected 9 sec. car runs a Cosworth plenum and their at 1000+whp. I guess the Cosworth will work for Luie as well.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 04:10 AM
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Glad to hear your motor is ok Luie - phew!

If he wasn't spraying N20, who can theorize what happened (why a backfire occurred) when Luie let off the gas? By the impact impressions on the hood, I don't think any plenum could have survived. Having a stronger "top" may simply have resulted in more lower end damage...

Luie, was there any evidence of the explosion on the lower plenum?

And Luie, were you running pure methanol or a 50/50 methanol water mix?

Sounds like you were at the top of 1st (high rpms) with a high duration cam, intake valve still open and had a quick injector cut during the middle of a burn that travelled back through the intake valve, igniting the methanol in the manifold. Just a theory of course, but I suspect, this would've just been a "pop" had methanol not been a part of the equation...

To attempt to prevent this from happening again, I would think it would be safer if the methanol injection is tied to fuel injection directly so when one quits, so does the other. I know one of the aquamist kits does this (the expensive one!).

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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
Glad to hear your motor is ok Luie - phew!

If he wasn't spraying N20, who can theorize what happened (why a backfire occurred) when Luie let off the gas? By the impact impressions on the hood, I don't think any plenum could have survived. Having a stronger "top" may simply have resulted in more lower end damage...

Luie, was there any evidence of the explosion on the lower plenum?

And Luie, were you running pure methanol or a 50/50 methanol water mix?

Sounds like you were at the top of 1st (high rpms) with a high duration cam, intake valve still open and had a quick injector cut during the middle of a burn that travelled back through the intake valve, igniting the methanol in the manifold. Just a theory of course, but I suspect, this would've just been a "pop" had methanol not been a part of the equation...

To attempt to prevent this from happening again, I would think it would be safer if the methanol injection is tied to fuel injection directly so when one quits, so does the other. I know one of the aquamist kits does this (the expensive one!).

Bingo!

This is what Jkenefic thinks what happen. I replayed what happen in my head.

On the top of first it started to hop so I let off and back on quickly to try to get her from jumping, on the instance I tried to lay on the gas she was still jumping and she hit the rev limiter, POP, and with the meth in there = blown plenum. We need to figure out a way to make the meth if possible a bit safer. I am getting two bolts from Lowes and triple checking everything and then taking the plenum off and waiting for the little Cosworth to show up.

Luie
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by eagletanggreen
Bingo!

This is what Jkenefic thinks what happen. I replayed what happen in my head.

On the top of first it started to hop so I let off and back on quickly to try to get her from jumping, on the instance I tried to lay on the gas she was still jumping and she hit the rev limiter, POP, and with the meth in there = blown plenum. We need to figure out a way to make the meth if possible a bit safer. I am getting two bolts from Lowes and triple checking everything and then taking the plenum off and waiting for the little Cosworth to show up.

Luie
Switching to a stronger plenum may cause the energy to break something else next time, something to consider.....what would be the next weakest part.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean
Switching to a stronger plenum may cause the energy to break something else next time, something to consider.....what would be the next weakest part.

THE HOOD
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:38 AM
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Luie, invest in one of these to save your hood next time

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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:38 AM
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Holy fawk Luie......glad the motor is ok.

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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:40 AM
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Raj...you really should do R&D for one of the engine builders who are trying new things. You're too smart to be wasting your IQ on med school.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hal@IP
Luie, invest in one of these to save your hood next time


Hal...were you using the Cosworth plenum on the 9 sec Z?
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