Brian Crower Stage 3's Preliminary test results are in!
Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Well the larger cam with the larger turbos, are allowing them to breath a bit better..Im thinking the lift is not the big factor as much as the duration...Were also not disregarding the fact that we had the crank knife edged, but I dont think that would make 70 ft lbs. itself...
Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Yeah, I noticed that the huge gains are right around the same RPM's that the Extreme kit is known to reach peak boost. It looks like the Stage 3 cams are potentially a very good match with those turbos.
However, upon looking again at the dyno charts...
I noticed that the Stage 3 cams make less power below 3500 RPM before the turbos are fully spooled. I guess it really is a calculated compromise afterall to get more power in the top half of the powerband.
I noticed that the Stage 3 cams make less power below 3500 RPM before the turbos are fully spooled. I guess it really is a calculated compromise afterall to get more power in the top half of the powerband.
Originally Posted by Driver06
1000 miles?! ****, let Oliver take it and you'll have your high boost runs by Monday..lol
Did you use timing gears to correct the cam timing? BC cams have been know to be WAAAYYYY off with Stock cam timing, and needing cam gears to correct. Infact, this months Dsport(?) Had an Evo X tested with Crower V3's and they were WAY off.
Greaser on Freshalloy Had the same problem, as did a **** load of other people on KA-T.org
Recheck it if you didn't. Knowing How Crower works, the V3's should be kicking the V2's *** in Mid-high RPM power.
Greaser on Freshalloy Had the same problem, as did a **** load of other people on KA-T.org
Recheck it if you didn't. Knowing How Crower works, the V3's should be kicking the V2's *** in Mid-high RPM power.
Originally Posted by KA24DE
Did you use timing gears to correct the cam timing? BC cams have been know to be WAAAYYYY off with Stock cam timing, and needing cam gears to correct. Infact, this months Dsport(?) Had an Evo X tested with Crower V3's and they were WAY off.
Greaser on Freshalloy Had the same problem, as did a **** load of other people on KA-T.org
Recheck it if you didn't. Knowing How Crower works, the V3's should be kicking the V2's *** in Mid-high RPM power.
Greaser on Freshalloy Had the same problem, as did a **** load of other people on KA-T.org
Recheck it if you didn't. Knowing How Crower works, the V3's should be kicking the V2's *** in Mid-high RPM power.
Originally Posted by __jb
Are you saying that the cams just have to be advanced or retarded from their normal position or are the cams improperly ground?
Correction, it was Turbo Magazine:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=343818
Crower V2's
"Ok, but I had to degree them in and move them quite a bit to get them to zero (factory specs)"
Crower V3's
"Rough idle, sounds mean but power was off. Cams needed to be degreed, were off by 3-5 degrees per cam."
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=343818
Crower V2's
"Ok, but I had to degree them in and move them quite a bit to get them to zero (factory specs)"
Crower V3's
"Rough idle, sounds mean but power was off. Cams needed to be degreed, were off by 3-5 degrees per cam."
http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showpo...3&postcount=69
And again
"v3's are FAR from bolt on. they REQUIRE dyno tuning/degreeing."
And again
"v3's are FAR from bolt on. they REQUIRE dyno tuning/degreeing."
^^^
i didnt known evos run VQ35DE or that it has a similar timing pattern
...cam gears for the Z
the only cam gears for the Z ...and the only ones in existance are the ones that 1000hp Z
i didnt known evos run VQ35DE or that it has a similar timing pattern
...cam gears for the Z

the only cam gears for the Z ...and the only ones in existance are the ones that 1000hp Z
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; May 25, 2008 at 01:01 AM.
Originally Posted by KA24DE
Yes on both counts. I've seen this happen a LOT. When they tested them in the magazine, they had them dynoed twice. Once just dropping them in, and again, after they indexed them to BC specs. They lost a lot of power in the powerband on default settings, but once they were indexed they made power everywhere. The intake and exhaust cams had to be advanced 3 degrees and retarded 2, or something crazy like that.

And on a side note, there is no "Bolt In cam" on any application...The car must be tuned for the cams or your simply wasting the money on install and parts, and not getting the FULL potential of your new investment.
Also, one thing everyone overlooks, is the propper clearancing of the valve buckets to the cams...It is very time consuming and mythotical but MUST be done when doing cams.
Last edited by Julian@MRC; May 25, 2008 at 03:46 AM.



