Getting PWND by Turbonetics yet AGAIN!!!
Originally Posted by chris'smax
Any Turbonetics turbo??????
We are going to try switching out the pump and use some restrictors. If that doesn't work then it is on to some different turbos.
BTW we are using 20w 50
We are going to try switching out the pump and use some restrictors. If that doesn't work then it is on to some different turbos.
BTW we are using 20w 50
I highly recommend teeing off an oil pressure sensor on one of the oil feed lines so you have an idea what it was before and what you are changing it to.
I can guarantee that if you use a small enough restrictor, you will stop the leak. Thing is, you want to maximize oiling while still not getting any leaking. Finding the perfect restrictor size is hard without data (this is part of the R&D for a turbo kit). Hence the pressure sensor. (C'mon JT, I know you're curious to know as well
).EDIT: PS. It's always possible that something else is causing the back up (like a faulty PCV - I'd put pressure sensors everywhere to really trouble shoot this - feed lines, return lines, sump, oil pan, crank case - that would be great data to see!!! A lot of work to troubleshoot what should have been a simple install. Can't really expect a shop to do this - just a wishlist from an engineering perspective. If I was the customer paying per hour for troubleshooting, I'd say put on the restrictors, change the PCV valve, make sure the hoses for the crankcase ventilation are all R9 stiff fuel injection quality, put an open breather on the driver's side crankcase vent, and call it a day.)
Last edited by rcdash; Aug 27, 2008 at 01:14 PM.
Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL
why?
...quality...hmm
....marketing... maybe....
...quality...hmm
....marketing... maybe....
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Originally Posted by Chris @ Migliore
hopefully you mean twin models to help him release his frustration.........he's running the SFR TT
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Originally Posted by chris'smax
Thanks guys for the support!!!
We are going to look at the oil sump again but we have already checked it once. I am ALMOST broke so i have a few options left
.
A) Tim offered to help me out on the cost of the new manifolds, down pipes, and wastegate dump tubes in order to run ANY garrett or precision turbo i want.
B) Somehow find a garrett w/ T04B housing and a 2 3/4" inlet. (help me out if someone knows!!!)
C) Keep fuking w/ Turbonetics and JT blowing my car up (literally strapping a bomb to it
)
I am just so frustrated because going into this i said i would be SOOO pissed if the turbos came back f'd up! LOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!!
We are going to look at the oil sump again but we have already checked it once. I am ALMOST broke so i have a few options left
.A) Tim offered to help me out on the cost of the new manifolds, down pipes, and wastegate dump tubes in order to run ANY garrett or precision turbo i want.
B) Somehow find a garrett w/ T04B housing and a 2 3/4" inlet. (help me out if someone knows!!!)
C) Keep fuking w/ Turbonetics and JT blowing my car up (literally strapping a bomb to it
)I am just so frustrated because going into this i said i would be SOOO pissed if the turbos came back f'd up! LOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!!
I am not sure if you would want some 700BB turbo's....if you do..drop me a line.
Originally Posted by rcdash
Any turbo. Good luck! (I take it the kit does not come with ANY restrictors?) If that's the case, I think you have your answer.
I highly recommend teeing off an oil pressure sensor on one of the oil feed lines so you have an idea what it was before and what you are changing it to.
I can guarantee that if you use a small enough restrictor, you will stop the leak. Thing is, you want to maximize oiling while still not getting any leaking. Finding the perfect restrictor size is hard without data (this is part of the R&D for a turbo kit). Hence the pressure sensor. (C'mon JT, I know you're curious to know as well).
EDIT: PS. It's always possible that something else is causing the back up (like a faulty PCV - I'd put pressure sensors everywhere to really trouble shoot this - feed lines, return lines, sump, oil pan, crank case - that would be great data to see!!! A lot of work to troubleshoot what should have been a simple install. Can't really expect a shop to do this - just a wishlist from an engineering perspective. If I was the customer paying per hour for troubleshooting, I'd say put on the restrictors, change the PCV valve, make sure the hoses for the crankcase ventilation are all R9 stiff fuel injection quality, put an open breather on the driver's side crankcase vent, and call it a day.)
I highly recommend teeing off an oil pressure sensor on one of the oil feed lines so you have an idea what it was before and what you are changing it to.
I can guarantee that if you use a small enough restrictor, you will stop the leak. Thing is, you want to maximize oiling while still not getting any leaking. Finding the perfect restrictor size is hard without data (this is part of the R&D for a turbo kit). Hence the pressure sensor. (C'mon JT, I know you're curious to know as well
).EDIT: PS. It's always possible that something else is causing the back up (like a faulty PCV - I'd put pressure sensors everywhere to really trouble shoot this - feed lines, return lines, sump, oil pan, crank case - that would be great data to see!!! A lot of work to troubleshoot what should have been a simple install. Can't really expect a shop to do this - just a wishlist from an engineering perspective. If I was the customer paying per hour for troubleshooting, I'd say put on the restrictors, change the PCV valve, make sure the hoses for the crankcase ventilation are all R9 stiff fuel injection quality, put an open breather on the driver's side crankcase vent, and call it a day.)
Edit - I just read you're troubleshooting the a sump pump oil return. That's definitely where I would start. I'm not going to get any real debate on this issue as it's something that should be left between the OP and the shop. I haven't heard the greatest things about the SFR TT kit, so I'm not sure how it would be related to the problems. One last thing is that in every single situation I've seen with a turbo pouring out oil to that extent, it's been with the oil return system. Turbos don't just start spewing out oil for no reason.
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Originally Posted by rcdash
Any turbo. Good luck! (I take it the kit does not come with ANY restrictors?) If that's the case, I think you have your answer.
I highly recommend teeing off an oil pressure sensor on one of the oil feed lines so you have an idea what it was before and what you are changing it to.
I can guarantee that if you use a small enough restrictor, you will stop the leak. Thing is, you want to maximize oiling while still not getting any leaking. Finding the perfect restrictor size is hard without data (this is part of the R&D for a turbo kit). Hence the pressure sensor. (C'mon JT, I know you're curious to know as well).
EDIT: PS. It's always possible that something else is causing the back up (like a faulty PCV - I'd put pressure sensors everywhere to really trouble shoot this - feed lines, return lines, sump, oil pan, crank case - that would be great data to see!!! A lot of work to troubleshoot what should have been a simple install. Can't really expect a shop to do this - just a wishlist from an engineering perspective. If I was the customer paying per hour for troubleshooting, I'd say put on the restrictors, change the PCV valve, make sure the hoses for the crankcase ventilation are all R9 stiff fuel injection quality, put an open breather on the driver's side crankcase vent, and call it a day.)
I highly recommend teeing off an oil pressure sensor on one of the oil feed lines so you have an idea what it was before and what you are changing it to.
I can guarantee that if you use a small enough restrictor, you will stop the leak. Thing is, you want to maximize oiling while still not getting any leaking. Finding the perfect restrictor size is hard without data (this is part of the R&D for a turbo kit). Hence the pressure sensor. (C'mon JT, I know you're curious to know as well
).EDIT: PS. It's always possible that something else is causing the back up (like a faulty PCV - I'd put pressure sensors everywhere to really trouble shoot this - feed lines, return lines, sump, oil pan, crank case - that would be great data to see!!! A lot of work to troubleshoot what should have been a simple install. Can't really expect a shop to do this - just a wishlist from an engineering perspective. If I was the customer paying per hour for troubleshooting, I'd say put on the restrictors, change the PCV valve, make sure the hoses for the crankcase ventilation are all R9 stiff fuel injection quality, put an open breather on the driver's side crankcase vent, and call it a day.)
D@mn Raj......why dont you just give up being a physician and open a shop
Originally Posted by taurran
Maybe you should look at the oil drains, because that just doesn't happen without a reason. Mine did the same thing when the gravity oil return was routed uphill.
My kit uses a sump pump for the return. Jeremy has already tested the pump prior to sending the turbos off to be inspected. We are replacing it w/ a new pump just in case something is wrong w/ the pump that we don't see.
The part that really chaps my *** is that Turbonetics takes the turbos and inspects them. They say nothing is wrong w/ them and proceed to put them back together WITH THE OLD PARTS!!!! They didn't even replace the bearing and seals when something was obviously wrong w/ them!!!
Originally Posted by Weqster
turbonetics are know for shitty oil sealing. every scene, every club, world over knows. its a reputation brought about by user frustration.
EVEN PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA KNOW THIS ****!!! LOL
Well i went ahead and purchased some Garrett t3/t4 60-1's in a T04b housing from Bullseyepower.com. They were much cheaper than the turbonetics and come w/ a 2 year hassel free warranty. Seems like a pretty cool place since they are going to machine a custom housing for me to match the inlet size i need.
Originally Posted by chris'smax
Well i went ahead and purchased some Garrett t3/t4 60-1's in a T04b housing from Bullseyepower.com. They were much cheaper than the turbonetics and come w/ a 2 year hassel free warranty. Seems like a pretty cool place since they are going to machine a custom housing for me to match the inlet size i need.
To answer some questions about the SFR twin turbo system........We use a single 3-an line from the oil pressure sender.It runs back to a tee that splits into two 3-an lines.Each of these lines have an oil filters/restrictor (that Turbonetics suppplies with their turbos).So the oil is restricted and filtered.
The drain system uses 3/4" drains on each turbo that runs into a oil sump.From there it uses a 3/4" ID oil line to go to the pump and then ultimately back to the pan.The pump we use is not the Mocal unit because those pumps fail way too quickly.Also the pump we use can move 1 quart of oil in about 7-9 seconds.This is more then an adequate drain system for these turbos.When the pump does fail on this system, it doesnt allow the turbos to start blowing oil out the exhaust and into the intake instantaneously.It will actually take some time before the oil starts blowing past the seals.
The drain system uses 3/4" drains on each turbo that runs into a oil sump.From there it uses a 3/4" ID oil line to go to the pump and then ultimately back to the pan.The pump we use is not the Mocal unit because those pumps fail way too quickly.Also the pump we use can move 1 quart of oil in about 7-9 seconds.This is more then an adequate drain system for these turbos.When the pump does fail on this system, it doesnt allow the turbos to start blowing oil out the exhaust and into the intake instantaneously.It will actually take some time before the oil starts blowing past the seals.