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Old 09-20-2008, 12:35 PM
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Rhys Millen runs 14:1 in the solstice with more boost than I'll ever see using E85.
Old 10-03-2008, 01:23 PM
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alright!!! everybody knows how i like to be a ginue pig " Si-trim project ", "non revup cog pulleys on a rev-up project" BTW both of those endevors cost me about 3.5k when all was said and done!!! so now i want to give this impeller a try on my setup. I LOVE TO WASTE MONEY GOD DAMMIT !!!!! i guess i will give this a try before i step up to the T-trim.

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Old 10-03-2008, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JET MECH
I LOVE TO WASTE MONEY GOD DAMMIT !!!!!
Good god, you are more indecisive than me. Don't forget to order the boost limiter with it. It'll save you some change on the shipping.
Old 10-03-2008, 02:19 PM
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BTW my engine build will still be a go as long as Stan comes through with the spare engine he promissed me. hint , hint , nuge , nuge..............
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I'm working on it
Old 10-03-2008, 02:58 PM
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Huges props for designing that whole thing yourself! Congrats.
Old 10-03-2008, 06:29 PM
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It's fun reading your projects/posts though out the years. Props!

I LOVE TO WASTE MONEY GOD DAMMIT !!!!!
Too funny...

but true

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Old 10-04-2008, 09:02 AM
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Quamen. what is the impeller speed of the V+ at your indicated 6500 rpm dyno pull at 10 psi? since you have a one off pulley drive system i cannot figure out what it could be. were you running it close to the 60,000 rated rpm of the new billet impeller? also did you log any IAT during the run's? that was one of the problems we had with the Si trim. it was great at slower speeds but once we spooled the supercharger up close to it's max rated rpm it turned into a heat pump! pumping gobbs of hot air into the engine which we noted when the engine started detonating mildly even with 100 octane race fuel.
Old 10-04-2008, 09:37 AM
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HOLY HORSEPOWER!!! Nice tinkering...




I LOVE TO WASTE MONEY GOD DAMMIT !!!!!

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Old 10-04-2008, 09:59 AM
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Unfortunately I wasn't able to log my IAT's. I didn't even realize the UTEC had different logger screens till I was off the dyno. This is soley my fault though. I was running this impeller no where near it's limit. That I can gaurentee. I want to say that I am running a 6.75 crank pulley. I know that the supercharger pulley is 3.25 though. My crank pully is only about a 1/2inch larger than the stock pulley that you guys use.

I didn't have any problems with detonation until 440whp on 93octane and some good timing. The impeller was designed to be more effecient at compressing air than the S/SC-trim hence more boost across the rpms. I would assume that IAT's would be the same or lower slightly.

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Quamen. what is the impeller speed of the V+ at your indicated 6500 rpm dyno pull at 10 psi? since you have a one off pulley drive system i cannot figure out what it could be. were you running it close to the 60,000 rated rpm of the new billet impeller? also did you log any IAT during the run's? that was one of the problems we had with the Si trim. it was great at slower speeds but once we spooled the supercharger up close to it's max rated rpm it turned into a heat pump! pumping gobbs of hot air into the engine which we noted when the engine started detonating mildly even with 100 octane race fuel.
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I just plugged in 6.75 crank pulley/3.25 SC pulley/6500 RPMs (what I stopped at) and I saw 46,575 rpms for a impeller speed.

The thing to remember is that they say that you shouldn't go past 53,000rpms since tip speed becomes a problem on an sc/s-trim.
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thank you for the feed back Quamen!
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Originally Posted by Quamen
I just plugged in 6.75 crank pulley/3.25 SC pulley/6500 RPMs (what I stopped at) and I saw 46,575 rpms for a impeller speed.

The thing to remember is that they say that you shouldn't go past 53,000rpms since tip speed becomes a problem on an sc/s-trim.
WOW, so there is possibly more potential from this impeller due to you were not spinning it near it's max speed (60,000 advertised).........this could be interesting

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Old 10-04-2008, 10:18 AM
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There is a lot more in the impeller. Unfortunately, I don't have the motor to handle the impeller yet. I am working on changing that and as soon as I do I will push well into the 500whp mark with my kit.

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WOW, so there is possibly more potentian from this impeller due to you were not spinning it near it's max speed (60,000 advertised).........this could be interesting
Old 10-04-2008, 10:24 AM
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it's funny that your 928 pulley must is way shallower than my impeller. i only have 3 threads left. why didnt u go with a deeper impeller for more airflow?
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
the funny thing is tat your 928 pulley must be way shallower than mine. i only have 3 threads left. why didnt u go with a deeper impeller?
The impeller is as deep as it can go with benefit. My guess would be differences in shafts. Is yours straight cut gears inside?
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helical. not sure if this was answered before, but what you use to model the design of that impeller?
also, i see people are interested in purchase. love to see more boost comparisons as i have graphs showing that much boost differences withe the same impeller (although the logs were taken on the road which presents a variable load compared to a dyno)
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very very nice man!! looks incredible. i wish i could have made it up there to tune it for you.


good job again!!! glad to see all that hard work finally pay off.
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
helical. not sure if this was answered before, but what you use to model the design of that impeller?
also, i see people are interested in purchase. love to see more boost comparisons as i have graphs showing that much boost differences withe the same impeller (although the logs were taken on the road which presents a variable load compared to a dyno)
This was sub-contracted out to someone who does it for a living and knows what to look for. The stock impeller was measured and then redesigned. So with that in mind I am not sure what they used software wise if that is your question.

Regarding boost logs I understand that varrying conditions can do this. However, for this reason I made sure to do the dynos on the same day, same dyno, swapping the impeller out on the dyno. I took a number of logs from each impeller and the posted log was a 100% repeatable for both the SC and the V+ impeller.
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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
very very nice man!! looks incredible. i wish i could have made it up there to tune it for you.


good job again!!! glad to see all that hard work finally pay off.
It's ok. I know you guys are busy an it didn't work out but don't count yourself out of my project just yet. I still need a built motor this winter!

Interested?


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