Got Some Codes, Need some help!!!
10-09-2008, 07:34 PM
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Did you ask if your ECU had been switched with another customer's?
The only time I have seen those codes, is when I have a different ECU in a car during a trouble shooting session. It means the key doesnt match the ECU in the car. Also should mean that the red light on your dashboard (near the windshielf) is always on.
Either way, shouldnt have anything to do with the issue you are having with your car. If the NATS kicks in, the engine will never restart. Also, with Haltech or any standalone, the engine will still start, since the stock ECU no longer controls fuel and timing.
The only time I have seen those codes, is when I have a different ECU in a car during a trouble shooting session. It means the key doesnt match the ECU in the car. Also should mean that the red light on your dashboard (near the windshielf) is always on.
Either way, shouldnt have anything to do with the issue you are having with your car. If the NATS kicks in, the engine will never restart. Also, with Haltech or any standalone, the engine will still start, since the stock ECU no longer controls fuel and timing.
10-10-2008, 05:51 AM
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I cut down the file size so i could attach it. I cut out some of the data from when i started it and while it was idling. Now the log shows idle to driving back to idlle (when it stalled).
2 CIPHER_10-9-2008_6-48-39_PM.zip
2 CIPHER_10-9-2008_6-48-39_PM.zip
10-10-2008, 07:49 AM
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To me it is significant if an error code pops up right as the problem happens. Perhaps the problem causes the engine to stall and that just naturally causes the NATS DTC's to come on, but I don't think anyone knows that. I have had lots and lots of DTC codes, but I have never seen those NATS codes before.
The reason I posted the Service Manual pages from a G35 manual was to get people thinking in this direction.
If someone can point me to a Service Manual for Chris' 350z I will look up the codes and post them here.
10-10-2008, 07:56 AM
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Looks like your passenger side fuel is being cut off near the end there. Weird. That's all I see that is obvious. Based on what I see here, the next step is to swap out the FCON. If that doesn't fix it, then swap out the injectors on the passenger side. For those looking at the log, the problem appears to start at row 4274, timestamp 669312.
edit: jb, I saw your post. I think it may be unrelated since in the log the TPS doesn't really change - so NATS doesn't appear to be killing throttle. It was a good thought though. Something is going wrong with one bank fueling in the FCON.
edit: jb, I saw your post. I think it may be unrelated since in the log the TPS doesn't really change - so NATS doesn't appear to be killing throttle. It was a good thought though. Something is going wrong with one bank fueling in the FCON.
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10-10-2008, 07:57 AM
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Did you ask if your ECU had been switched with another customer's?
The only time I have seen those codes, is when I have a different ECU in a car during a trouble shooting session. It means the key doesnt match the ECU in the car. Also should mean that the red light on your dashboard (near the windshielf) is always on.
Either way, shouldnt have anything to do with the issue you are having with your car. If the NATS kicks in, the engine will never restart. Also, with Haltech or any standalone, the engine will still start, since the stock ECU no longer controls fuel and timing.
The only time I have seen those codes, is when I have a different ECU in a car during a trouble shooting session. It means the key doesnt match the ECU in the car. Also should mean that the red light on your dashboard (near the windshielf) is always on.
Either way, shouldnt have anything to do with the issue you are having with your car. If the NATS kicks in, the engine will never restart. Also, with Haltech or any standalone, the engine will still start, since the stock ECU no longer controls fuel and timing.
In this case the tuner drove and tuned the car and the owner drove the car from Florida to Louisiana without any problems at all. A 10 hour drive. Now all of a sudden the car develops problems and won't run longer that 15 minutes at a time.
I think something happened once he got the car home. I'm not saying the owner did anything to it. I admit I'm not an expert like some of you guys, I just try to determine what's going on from the relevant data. It seems to me that something in the NATS system is causing the problem. I would continue to look there.
I wonder if Cipher can monitor any of the NATS system's sensors?
10-10-2008, 08:00 AM
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If the ECU was switched by the shop, wouldn't this problem have happened from the time he picked his car up?
In this case the tuner drove and tuned the car and the owner drove the car from Florida to Louisiana without any problems at all. A 10 hour drive. Now all of a sudden the car develops problems and won't run longer that 15 minutes at a time.
I think something happened once he got the car home. I'm not saying the owner did anything to it. I admit I'm not an expert like some of you guys, I just try to determine what's going on from the relevant data. It seems to me that something in the NATS system is causing the problem. I would continue to look there.
I wonder if Cipher can monitor any of the NATS system's sensors?
In this case the tuner drove and tuned the car and the owner drove the car from Florida to Louisiana without any problems at all. A 10 hour drive. Now all of a sudden the car develops problems and won't run longer that 15 minutes at a time.
I think something happened once he got the car home. I'm not saying the owner did anything to it. I admit I'm not an expert like some of you guys, I just try to determine what's going on from the relevant data. It seems to me that something in the NATS system is causing the problem. I would continue to look there.
I wonder if Cipher can monitor any of the NATS system's sensors?
Yea that is the perplexing part of this whole situation jb.
I don't think cipher can monitor anything w/ the nats system since there really isn't anything to monitor per say.
10-10-2008, 08:03 AM
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Maybe one of the harnesses for one of the injectors is not fully engaged on the passenger side? I'd take the plenum off and see if there is any evidence of a fuel leak and unplug and replug the harnesses (check for bent pins). If all looks ok, only other option is to swap FCONs. Can that be done remotely if you send JT your FCON, can he transfer the maps onto a new unit and ship it out to you?
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10-10-2008, 10:09 AM
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Chris, I got a chance to graph the AFR and it looks like AFR is screwed up on both banks (though when the car died it was only one bank). Take a look at the attached pic. The AFR is only steady in the middle part. Can you confirm the car ran ok during the "flat" region? I think your FCON may be faulty or the wiring harness but I think the harness is less likely to be faulty since both banks are giving trouble (not just a single wire fault). Injectors probably fine. Swapping out the FCON seems like the next logical step.
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10-10-2008, 10:30 AM
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Chris, I got a chance to graph the AFR and it looks like AFR is screwed up on both banks (though when the car died it was only one bank). Take a look at the attached pic. The AFR is only steady in the middle part. Can you confirm the car ran ok during the "flat" region? I think your FCON may be faulty or the wiring harness but I think the harness is less likely to be faulty since both banks are giving trouble (not just a single wire fault). Injectors probably fine. Swapping out the FCON seems like the next logical step.
raj is the left axis of the graph AFR? The car ran fine (from what i could tell) the whole time until it started to die.
WHAT THE *** IS GOING ON HERE!!!!!!! I hope HKS has a good warranty plan.
Sorry i had to vent
10-10-2008, 10:57 AM
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Undo the plug and play harness and look for bent pins or something amiss. Something is definitely not right with the stock wideband readings, if you believe them. Weird that you felt nothing wrong on start up but the AFRs are changing very quickly, dipping back down. At the end of the logging, the passenger side gets stuck at full lean (no fuel).
Last edited by rcdash; 10-10-2008 at 11:03 AM.
