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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:03 AM
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600rwhp on pump you'll prob need cams, on race 600rwhp can be made easy assuming the turbos will flow that much anyway. (I made more than that on stock cams)

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Originally Posted by Fluid1
I'm giving 600 without cams a good shot here. I think it's possible.

I'll have to echo Alberto about the cams only setup for the heads....I've seen lots and lots of numbers, and I'm just not sold on expensive headwork prices vs. hp values.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:07 AM
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Quick-I meant your tune as in your opinion, not the actual tune in the car lol...Sleeves arent overkill, they simply arent needed in this guys build, we know you have different cicumstances with your car.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Quick-I meant your tune as in your opinion, not the actual tune in the car lol...Sleeves arent overkill, they simply arent needed in this guys build, we know you have different cicumstances with your car.
10-4 we are in agreement sir!
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by thom000001
Jkenefic (I think I got that right) ran out of fuel with 1 walbro at 655rwhp I believe. So 600rwhp is doable. Never hurts to have too much fuel though.

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I am running AAM RFS with 850cc DW injectors and single walbro, and according to Sharif, I have no problems with fuel at any of my power levels.

I agree with never having enough fuel though.

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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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^^^ i think the disclaimer is "any power level that 'you' can afford"

throw a 100 shot on there and i bet you are running 100% idc's
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by thom000001
600rwhp on pump you'll prob need cams, on race 600rwhp can be made easy assuming the turbos will flow that much anyway. (I made more than that on stock cams)

T
Well, I'm going to try to find out. I think that high PSI and meth can get it done. I'm at 496whp right now with the stock greddy dp, SRVT WG relocation, crappy 2.5" test pipes, and ultra crappy 2.35 Borla TD.
My next stage of mods includes going from the OEM plenum and motordyne spacer to an APS tallboy plenum and strut, 3" DP's and 3" TD exhaust, K&N filters to replace the 'shrooms, koyo, oil cooler, catch can, retune. I also may switch out the 750 RC injectors I have now in favor of some DW, but I've still got research to do on injectors.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
With 100% meth and cams, I think you could do it (and without a twin pump, probably) on a dynojet STD. In the end it will be fast, whether you're at 580 or 620. You're probably already at 600 on someone's dyno, somewhere - lol.
Raj Is that you Welcome to the club of 100% meth users.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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Raj Is that you Welcome to the club of 100% meth users.
Haha - if I was going for 600 with my teeny weeny 700bb's I'd be using 100% meth. I'm not greedy though.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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I see a bunch of talk about BC cams now. What's up with JWTs? I have JWT stage 2s and making huge power on a Greddy TT kit.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by iamdigital
I see a bunch of talk about BC cams now. What's up with JWTs? I have JWT stage 2s and making huge power on a Greddy TT kit.
Cuz BC cams are the shiet!

What power do you make on pump gas?

605whp on 13psi Greddy kit and BC 3, how huge is your power compared to that?
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Cuz BC cams are the shiet!
yeap no other better way to put it.. great idle, power on top end and still help on midrange.. very streatable cams... and good price too
In other words: you cant go wrong there
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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How are they different than the GTM Turbo cams?
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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Thanks you for all the replies and the very useful info.

Few questions:

If say I was to upgrade to a twin pump setup so fuel was not limiting me, would these turbos even be able to create enough boost/power for me to actually break my block

Do you think it is wise to invest in the Arias ED pistons? Perhaps in the future I may want more power and go with sleeves.. but I dont really know if 600+ rwhp is even necessary if I want to drive it on the street.

I dont have the unichip, I have a UTEC currently...I know it sucks.. seems turboxs doesnt even update the software anymore... I would ultimately like a Haltech PNP Platinum. Would it be advisable not to even bother trying to tune higher HP with the UTEC and save for the Haltech?

Is it safe to say that 650cc should get me ~650rwhp (1hp per 1cc rule?) Without being @ 100% duty cycle would be the ideal..

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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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I have the exact same question. i have turbo cams but no external wastegate. regular aps tt here. I want more powah. I have 650cc injectors, which should be plenty for high 500s
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Is there a concensus agreement on what size injectors are needed? Are 650cc enough, or is it 850-1000cc?
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 06:40 PM
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I think I read somewhere that sharif said 650cc is adequate for 600hp and anything more could be hard to tune and idle rough
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Since everyone says that the APS Standard TT kit is limited to low 600's wouldn't running 9.5psi compression be best as to not depend so much on turbo's

I understand about lower compression is best to play it safe against knock and detonation but if someone is not looking to upgrade further than the standard APS TT kit, wouldn't running 9.5 psi compression help you make more than 675+ RWHP and still be safe?

Just asking since I see guys here running 9.1 compression and are pretty up there but depending more on the turbo than the engine for power.

Jining check at what PSI they evaluate those 650cc cause the standard is usualy 3bar and the APS system runs on 4bar PSI so that would make them closer to 725cc+
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Jkenefic was using meth injection with that mid 600hp dyno. The Single walbro runs out around 550 on a dyno dynamics
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jining
Thanks you for all the replies and the very useful info.

Few questions:

If say I was to upgrade to a twin pump setup so fuel was not limiting me, would these turbos even be able to create enough boost/power for me to actually break my block

Do you think it is wise to invest in the Arias ED pistons? Perhaps in the future I may want more power and go with sleeves.. but I dont really know if 600+ rwhp is even necessary if I want to drive it on the street.

Yes. ED pistons are worth it. Zivman had a regular Arias pistons and they broke. Hence the second engine...

I dont have the unichip, I have a UTEC currently...I know it sucks.. seems turboxs doesnt even update the software anymore... I would ultimately like a Haltech PNP Platinum. Would it be advisable not to even bother trying to tune higher HP with the UTEC and save for the Haltech?

At 600WHP, you should go with full standalone EMS.

Is it safe to say that 650cc should get me ~650rwhp (1hp per 1cc rule?) Without being @ 100% duty cycle would be the ideal..

You are suppose to only run the injectors up to 80% duty cycle I thought. Dude, don't be cheap.. I would think you need at least 800cc since your goal is 600WHP. I went with 1000cc HKS injectors.
Here you go.

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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 04:32 AM
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ok now we need to know, what is the best for VQ35DE Heads

GTM, JWT-C2, BC STG3 ?!?!!??
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