Project SAA3! Game On!!!
01-28-2009, 05:25 PM
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I don't know when the turbo kit is being shipped, but as soon as I get it and my new motor in the same room together it will be installed. I will post up pics and our (Quadcam & I) impression of the kit during the install.
PSA... If I am the first to road race the Greddy TT learn from my mistakes and don't do it. You will tear the turbochargers up in no time. 3 or 4 track days is all it took me.
PSA... If I am the first to road race the Greddy TT learn from my mistakes and don't do it. You will tear the turbochargers up in no time. 3 or 4 track days is all it took me.
01-28-2009, 07:54 PM
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LArry,
are you gonna make me go out and road race the 'ol 4 door G (with Greddy TT) just to disprove this theory (or prove it?)
I have a hard time coming to grips with the claims that the greddys can't take the heat. Sharif's turbo failures were on rebuild/remachined/modified turbos. (not a good corelation to the sotck greddy/mitsu turbos) also, Journal bearing turbos have been in road race cars for decades! also, it seems that there is nothing wrong with the journal bearings in your turbos. from our inspection, there was no radial play in the shaft. all the play (approx 1mm - measured with a vernier caliper) was in the axial direction. that doesn't seem to be a different issue all together. also, you only had an issue in 1 turbo. the other turbo was perfect......shouldn't that one be failing too if the greddys can't take the heat?
I do think that the greddy turbine housings are too small and restrictive (more heat and rpm limitng). I have been lookign into a way to change the turbine housings on them...but have no answers yet.
on these garret's you're getting, will GTM upgrade to the TIAL stainless V-band turbine housings? that would be trick, light weight, and retain less heat!!!!.........all better for road racing!!!!
are you gonna make me go out and road race the 'ol 4 door G (with Greddy TT) just to disprove this theory (or prove it?)
I have a hard time coming to grips with the claims that the greddys can't take the heat. Sharif's turbo failures were on rebuild/remachined/modified turbos. (not a good corelation to the sotck greddy/mitsu turbos) also, Journal bearing turbos have been in road race cars for decades! also, it seems that there is nothing wrong with the journal bearings in your turbos. from our inspection, there was no radial play in the shaft. all the play (approx 1mm - measured with a vernier caliper) was in the axial direction. that doesn't seem to be a different issue all together. also, you only had an issue in 1 turbo. the other turbo was perfect......shouldn't that one be failing too if the greddys can't take the heat?
I do think that the greddy turbine housings are too small and restrictive (more heat and rpm limitng). I have been lookign into a way to change the turbine housings on them...but have no answers yet.
on these garret's you're getting, will GTM upgrade to the TIAL stainless V-band turbine housings? that would be trick, light weight, and retain less heat!!!!.........all better for road racing!!!!
01-28-2009, 09:04 PM
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You shouldn't have to apologize to someone that misinterprets "not posting" into "hiding", doesn't know GTM TT kits use Garrett turbos, doesn't know that ball bearing, water cooled turbos are more reliable than their oil-cooled sleeve bearing counterparts, and applies the word "sales man" in a derogatory fashion to one of the most knowledgable and helpful people on the site. How about a little respect to the sponsors that put out solid products - they keep the forums alive and give us consumers great choices in aftermarket products!
I am not a salesman, don't have any financial interest in GTM whatsoever, but I think JET made a fine choice of turbo kits for his application. Not only are the components of the highest quality, but the piping and overall design are outstanding. Shopping today for FI, I would put the GTM TT kit to the top of my list.
I am not a salesman, don't have any financial interest in GTM whatsoever, but I think JET made a fine choice of turbo kits for his application. Not only are the components of the highest quality, but the piping and overall design are outstanding. Shopping today for FI, I would put the GTM TT kit to the top of my list.
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01-29-2009, 04:40 AM
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LArry,
are you gonna make me go out and road race the 'ol 4 door G (with Greddy TT) just to disprove this theory (or prove it?)
I have a hard time coming to grips with the claims that the greddys can't take the heat. Sharif's turbo failures were on rebuild/remachined/modified turbos. (not a good corelation to the sotck greddy/mitsu turbos) also, Journal bearing turbos have been in road race cars for decades! also, it seems that there is nothing wrong with the journal bearings in your turbos. from our inspection, there was no radial play in the shaft. all the play (approx 1mm - measured with a vernier caliper) was in the axial direction. that doesn't seem to be a different issue all together. also, you only had an issue in 1 turbo. the other turbo was perfect......shouldn't that one be failing too if the greddys can't take the heat?
I do think that the greddy turbine housings are too small and restrictive (more heat and rpm limitng). I have been lookign into a way to change the turbine housings on them...but have no answers yet.
on these garret's you're getting, will GTM upgrade to the TIAL stainless V-band turbine housings? that would be trick, light weight, and retain less heat!!!!.........all better for road racing!!!!
are you gonna make me go out and road race the 'ol 4 door G (with Greddy TT) just to disprove this theory (or prove it?)
I have a hard time coming to grips with the claims that the greddys can't take the heat. Sharif's turbo failures were on rebuild/remachined/modified turbos. (not a good corelation to the sotck greddy/mitsu turbos) also, Journal bearing turbos have been in road race cars for decades! also, it seems that there is nothing wrong with the journal bearings in your turbos. from our inspection, there was no radial play in the shaft. all the play (approx 1mm - measured with a vernier caliper) was in the axial direction. that doesn't seem to be a different issue all together. also, you only had an issue in 1 turbo. the other turbo was perfect......shouldn't that one be failing too if the greddys can't take the heat?
I do think that the greddy turbine housings are too small and restrictive (more heat and rpm limitng). I have been lookign into a way to change the turbine housings on them...but have no answers yet.
on these garret's you're getting, will GTM upgrade to the TIAL stainless V-band turbine housings? that would be trick, light weight, and retain less heat!!!!.........all better for road racing!!!!
And I agree with you quadcam, journal bearing turbos have been getting the beat down on tracks around the world for decades with great success, yes the BB cartridges will take more thrust load/rpm and should prove to be more reliable but that isnt to say the journal bearing variant isnt up to the task.
Also as far as brands go, you cant beat the old (Mexican made HAh) Garrett, they are simply the best. No other turbo manufacturer has there financial budget or sells there volume, Borg Warner/Kkk comes in at a fairly close second and I wouldnt be scared to run or recommend there turbos, have had great success with the BW S300 series. Never run brands like Comp/Innovative/Turbonetics ect.... even if they are high $$$ brands do you really think they can compete with company's like garrett when it comes to budget and R&D....NEVER, Honeywell is king of the turbine.
Lastly I'm shocked to find out that the utec dosnt have control of air temp compensation as well as coolant temp comp! I'm not sure I read that right or really remember what I read for that matter hah, but if thats the case, thats a ticking time bomb! I really like to pull timing with air temp, and eventually flatten the air temp fuel curve to provide a bit more fuel in the higher temps.
Good luck again Jet! Hope all goes well
01-29-2009, 05:46 AM
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Lastly I'm shocked to find out that the utec dosnt have control of air temp compensation as well as coolant temp comp! I'm not sure I read that right or really remember what I read for that matter hah, but if thats the case, thats a ticking time bomb! I really like to pull timing with air temp, and eventually flatten the air temp fuel curve to provide a bit more fuel in the higher temps.
Good luck again Jet! Hope all goes well
Good luck again Jet! Hope all goes well
I don't think most tuners use this feature. I use on the cars I have played with. You have to set it after you are finished with your tweaking.
01-29-2009, 06:40 AM
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no, you can adjust fuel and timing in the UTEC due to air temp changes. It just has a non-linear adjustment that covers temps in 10 degree celcius increments. so, you have about 7 settings to set for the air temps adjustments. It is certainly not perfect, but it does work.
I don't think most tuners use this feature. I use on the cars I have played with. You have to set it after you are finished with your tweaking.
I don't think most tuners use this feature. I use on the cars I have played with. You have to set it after you are finished with your tweaking.
As long as it inter populates between cells I guess I dont see a problem with that, even tho the resolution is quite large, it should work fine.
Had me scared there for a second hah! Knowing this actually gives me a teeenie bit more respect for the utec.
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Just make sure when you put in the CP pistons the oil squirters line up with the cuts in the piston. And one banks pistons will be reversed from the other side (cant remember which). I believe the Arias is cut so it doesn't matter which way they go in, thats why I brought it up. Dont want any broken squirters! 
02-05-2009, 08:29 PM
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Just make sure when you put in the CP pistons the oil squirters line up with the cuts in the piston. And one banks pistons will be reversed from the other side (cant remember which). I believe the Arias is cut so it doesn't matter which way they go in, thats why I brought it up. Dont want any broken squirters!
