Have a water/meth kit? Come in here...
07-22-2009, 05:58 AM
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The kit was $743.89
The tank alone was $129.00
Has a 3 bar map sensor, low fluid sensor w/wiring, progressive controller, filter, etc, etc.
You can ask the guy at AC to look up my invoice, or PM me the spec sheet and I'll email you the invoice if you're interested. I forget what the nozzle is rated at right now, I went with his largest single nozzle system.
Everybody that has seen the kit, lines and pump has commented how much "beefier" the kit looks compared to theirs. I run 100% meth which can be hard on fittings so far so good.
The tank alone was $129.00
Has a 3 bar map sensor, low fluid sensor w/wiring, progressive controller, filter, etc, etc.
You can ask the guy at AC to look up my invoice, or PM me the spec sheet and I'll email you the invoice if you're interested. I forget what the nozzle is rated at right now, I went with his largest single nozzle system.
Everybody that has seen the kit, lines and pump has commented how much "beefier" the kit looks compared to theirs. I run 100% meth which can be hard on fittings so far so good.
07-22-2009, 06:24 AM
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The key difference with the price of kits is whether you want injection to be progressive with rpm, boost, or both. The more expensive kits ($700-$900) allow the latter. The other differences include use of a high speed valve versus cycling the pump and presence of fail safes to detect flow interruption. I like the idea of direct port injection for a number of reasons, but a few will keep me from implementing it most likely:
1. It's more complex, requiring 6 nozzles (does someone sell a kit?).
2. It minimizes AIT reduction due to decreased time for evaporation.
3. It doesn't really account for air flow imbalance to different cylinders.
1. It's more complex, requiring 6 nozzles (does someone sell a kit?).
2. It minimizes AIT reduction due to decreased time for evaporation.
3. It doesn't really account for air flow imbalance to different cylinders.
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07-22-2009, 06:31 AM
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The kit was $743.89
The tank alone was $129.00
Has a 3 bar map sensor, low fluid sensor w/wiring, progressive controller, filter, etc, etc.
You can ask the guy at AC to look up my invoice, or PM me the spec sheet and I'll email you the invoice if you're interested. I forget what the nozzle is rated at right now, I went with his largest single nozzle system.
Everybody that has seen the kit, lines and pump has commented how much "beefier" the kit looks compared to theirs. I run 100% meth which can be hard on fittings so far so good.
The tank alone was $129.00
Has a 3 bar map sensor, low fluid sensor w/wiring, progressive controller, filter, etc, etc.
You can ask the guy at AC to look up my invoice, or PM me the spec sheet and I'll email you the invoice if you're interested. I forget what the nozzle is rated at right now, I went with his largest single nozzle system.
Everybody that has seen the kit, lines and pump has commented how much "beefier" the kit looks compared to theirs. I run 100% meth which can be hard on fittings so far so good.
Are you using the Haltech to trigger the kit?
07-22-2009, 06:35 AM
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The key difference with the price of kits is whether you want injection to be progressive with rpm, boost, or both. The more expensive kits ($700-$900) allow the latter. The other differences include use of a high speed valve versus cycling the pump and presence of fail safes to detect flow interruption. I like the idea of direct port injection for a number of reasons, but a few will keep me from implementing it most likely:
1. It's more complex, requiring 6 nozzles (does someone sell a kit?).
2. It minimizes AIT reduction due to decreased time for evaporation.
3. It doesn't really account for air flow imbalance to different cylinders.
1. It's more complex, requiring 6 nozzles (does someone sell a kit?).
2. It minimizes AIT reduction due to decreased time for evaporation.
3. It doesn't really account for air flow imbalance to different cylinders.
07-22-2009, 06:39 AM
#26
No I am not. I have a seperate map for the 2 meth boost settings, and I manually turn the controller on. The kit does the rest.
The kit also has warning lights for any clogs and/or when the filter is dirty, and you can "purge" the meth to the nozzle before you start a run. The LED changes color as it goes from "on" to "ready". The lights are mounted in my A-pillar pod. If you wanted it more low key the line being
hidden obviously would be easy to do.
Pic of Meth light...if you dont look for it, you wouldnt see it, same for the controller. And if I dont pop my hood or hatch you cant see $hit...
The kit also has warning lights for any clogs and/or when the filter is dirty, and you can "purge" the meth to the nozzle before you start a run. The LED changes color as it goes from "on" to "ready". The lights are mounted in my A-pillar pod. If you wanted it more low key the line being
hidden obviously would be easy to do.
Pic of Meth light...if you dont look for it, you wouldnt see it, same for the controller. And if I dont pop my hood or hatch you cant see $hit...
Last edited by Alberto; 07-22-2009 at 06:40 AM.
07-22-2009, 07:13 AM
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). Methanol is a fuel though and being able to adjust for rpm and load seems particularly important.
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07-22-2009, 07:27 AM
#28
Well it is if you are bumping your timing that much to gain 100 hp 
Ya theres a huge jump in price when going from progressive by boost to progressive my airflow/rpms etc. How aggro you are tryin to run your meth map will really dictate how much you need to spend.
Ya theres a huge jump in price when going from progressive by boost to progressive my airflow/rpms etc. How aggro you are tryin to run your meth map will really dictate how much you need to spend.
07-22-2009, 11:45 AM
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Pretty sure that unit is progressive by boost only. If you're only going to use water, I don't know that 2D tuning is that important (George and Gurgen will not be happy with that statement ). Methanol is a fuel though and being able to adjust for rpm and load seems particularly important.
). Methanol is a fuel though and being able to adjust for rpm and load seems particularly important.
07-22-2009, 12:02 PM
#31
Ok, I see the point BUT, I'm only planning to have the water/meth activate @ 9-10lbs of boost and up. I did some driving around today at partial throttle in boost and I'm NEVER seeing 9+lbs of boost in my driving unless I'm full throttle. So tuning on boost reference alone shouldn't be an issue. Heck, my UTEC's tune is all load based on boost.
07-22-2009, 02:07 PM
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The key difference with the price of kits is whether you want injection to be progressive with rpm, boost, or both. The more expensive kits ($700-$900) allow the latter. The other differences include use of a high speed valve versus cycling the pump and presence of fail safes to detect flow interruption. I like the idea of direct port injection for a number of reasons, but a few will keep me from implementing it most likely:
1. It's more complex, requiring 6 nozzles (does someone sell a kit?).
2. It minimizes AIT reduction due to decreased time for evaporation.
3. It doesn't really account for air flow imbalance to different cylinders.
1. It's more complex, requiring 6 nozzles (does someone sell a kit?).
2. It minimizes AIT reduction due to decreased time for evaporation.
3. It doesn't really account for air flow imbalance to different cylinders.
I looked at the intake and time I had for the build and got lazy. I might go diect port over the winter. I was going to build my own direct port set up even one large nozzel that branches into 6 ports should work or possibly have 3 nozzles that each Y off. Something like that should work and might be slightly simpler than the 6 nozzels. My feeling was when it comes to cost on a meth kit saving $300-400 wasn't going to be the deciding factor on what kit to buy if your tuning aggressively with meth if the kit fails your engine is in jeporady $400 extra seems cheap compaired to a new motor. I know of a snow kit that failed on a guy i know that has an Evo causing engine failure and 1 Roe racing kit that failed on a guy I know that has a super charged Viper causing some minor engine damage. Think about that and don't cheap out I am not saying buy the most expensive one but do some home work as it appears you have.
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07-22-2009, 02:08 PM
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So boost is basically constant. So what's the point of a progressive boost controller? Use a fixed triggered spray and save even more $$$ (can adjust amount with nozzles). I think a trigger on boost (from EMS), but a progressive rpm controller would be a better low cost alternative for a WOT application.
07-22-2009, 04:41 PM
#36
Its kinda crazy to tune soo deep on meth that if theres a problem, your motor is going to blow. Thats why the simple on/off works just fine for my setup and will most likely be just fine for my next build. You are still tuning the car, so when you get the meth to kick in, you will lean it out and advance timing in that area.
I agree direct port would have advantages. I was going to go direct port then pussied out I looked at the intake and time I had for the build and got lazy. I might go diect port over the winter. I was going to build my own direct port set up even one large nozzel that branches into 6 ports should work or possibly have 3 nozzles that each Y off. Something like that should work and might be slightly simpler than the 6 nozzels.
My feeling was when it comes to cost on a meth kit saving $300-400 wasn't going to be the deciding factor on what kit to buy if your tuning aggressively with meth if the kit fails your engine is in jeporady $400 extra seems cheap compaired to a new motor. I know of a snow kit that failed on a guy i know that has an Evo causing engine failure and 1 Roe racing kit that failed on a guy I know that has a super charged Viper causing some minor engine damage. Think about that and don't cheap out I am not saying buy the most expensive one but do some home work as it appears you have.
I looked at the intake and time I had for the build and got lazy. I might go diect port over the winter. I was going to build my own direct port set up even one large nozzel that branches into 6 ports should work or possibly have 3 nozzles that each Y off. Something like that should work and might be slightly simpler than the 6 nozzels. My feeling was when it comes to cost on a meth kit saving $300-400 wasn't going to be the deciding factor on what kit to buy if your tuning aggressively with meth if the kit fails your engine is in jeporady $400 extra seems cheap compaired to a new motor. I know of a snow kit that failed on a guy i know that has an Evo causing engine failure and 1 Roe racing kit that failed on a guy I know that has a super charged Viper causing some minor engine damage. Think about that and don't cheap out I am not saying buy the most expensive one but do some home work as it appears you have.
07-22-2009, 05:43 PM
#38
Its kinda crazy to tune soo deep on meth that if theres a problem, your motor is going to blow. Thats why the simple on/off works just fine for my setup and will most likely be just fine for my next build. You are still tuning the car, so when you get the meth to kick in, you will lean it out and advance timing in that area.
07-22-2009, 06:26 PM
#39
I dont know if its been mentioned . But I would not use the washer fluid tank . Its hard to get it so it doesnt leak . The w/m mix will harm your paint when used to clean your windows . An external tank can be put in the rear as well as the pump .
07-22-2009, 07:47 PM
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Wat? Normal windshield washer fluid IS a mix of water/methanol. It doesn't hurt your paint at all or else all of us would already have paint damage. In fact many people use the normal blue washer fluid in their meth injection setups. My washer res doesn't leak at all.