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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ToastZ
When Forged put the cams in my car he charged me for 2 solid days of labor IIRC.

I went with Stg-II Brian Crower and as already noted it helps keep power up top to redline, cams will not help below 4000rpms.
What did you have before? Do you have the before/after dyno in your build thread or somewhere else?

EDIT: As I recall the BC stg 2 is very similar to the JWT S2 and more of a mid range cam, but both do ok up top...

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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
What did you have before? Do you have the before/after dyno in your build thread or somewhere else?
I went from Stock cams to BC-StgII cams. I will check my hardrive for before and after dynos.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:36 PM
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You could also try something like the apexi avc-r which has gear dependent as well as rpm dependent boost settings which works great for single turbo cars. It allows you to make the same boost in every gear and in most cases helps you spool quicker.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:37 PM
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i've got a similar setup, and have gone through 2 boost controllers that couldn't keep the wastegate closed...i'd all but guarantee you're having wastegate push issues. i even upgraded to a forged actuator which helped for like 1 psi.

i'm having a custom external wastegate made that will be similar to the one aps offered at one point in time, and will most likely be getting the tial 38mm wg.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SH Luciano
i've got a similar setup, and have gone through 2 boost controllers that couldn't keep the wastegate closed...i'd all but guarantee you're having wastegate push issues. i even upgraded to a forged actuator which helped for like 1 psi.

i'm having a custom external wastegate made that will be similar to the one aps offered at one point in time, and will most likely be getting the tial 38mm wg.


I am running also on forged actuator. And evc 5. What boost controllers you have tried ???
And what boost level are u hitting !!!
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:56 PM
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^what two boost controllers?
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GBoger
^what two boost controllers?


i am actually asking SH Luciano on what boost controllers he used ?!!! was EVC 6 one of them.??!! just so that i dont waste my money incase it isnt worth it !!!
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
What did you have before? Do you have the before/after dyno in your build thread or somewhere else?

EDIT: As I recall the BC stg 2 is very similar to the JWT S2 and more of a mid range cam, but both do ok up top...
I don't think the dyno's I have from forged will help us compare. When I had the cams installed, Sharif also did a lot of other mods to the car (FCON, 3" APS delete pipes, forge actuators, complete tuning, Evott exhaust).

I still have the original excel spreadsheet that shows the difference in Power from my original GRD setup (stock cams, unichip, 2.5" APS deletes & exhaust, 11psi) to my current Forged setup (BC stg-II cams, FCON, APS 3" delete, EvoTT, 14psi).
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:55 AM
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you controller should have no problem holding 9-10psi. it just needs to be optimized
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GBoger
^what two boost controllers?
I've used the AEM tru-boot controller, and now have a haltech and used the integrated controller in that one. Neither were able to get me past a steady 9lbs.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ToastZ
I don't think the dyno's I have from forged will help us compare. When I had the cams installed, Sharif also did a lot of other mods to the car (FCON, 3" APS delete pipes, forge actuators, complete tuning, Evott exhaust).

I still have the original excel spreadsheet that shows the difference in Power from my original GRD setup (stock cams, unichip, 2.5" APS deletes & exhaust, 11psi) to my current Forged setup (BC stg-II cams, FCON, APS 3" delete, EvoTT, 14psi).
so ur running just over 450whp at 14psi with cams?? just to be clear, this is with the aps single turbo kit?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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Not to knock you too much OP, but are you changing your car around just due to the results of a race Vs. an R35?? It's a much different car than yours and has different performance.

What if you had raced a small displacement big turbo car? 1.6l Honda with a 35r or something to that effect. You pull initially then you get run down bigtime on the top end.... now you have plenty of TQ, but want more top end to beat that pesky Civic?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SH Luciano
so ur running just over 450whp at 14psi with cams?? just to be clear, this is with the aps single turbo kit?
aps twins, the original aps kit.

Actually I'm now up to ~512whp DD at 15psi. Sharif has continued to tweak the tune over the past two years
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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^ hopefully you are one the stock block, as 512 DD is pretty weak on a built motor and doesnt take 2 years of tweaking to reach
**nm, i remember you sayin 500 hp built was your max safety level. carry on
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Thanks ToastZ - i actually looked up your build thread and got the details there. See u again at the airstrip?

15 psi on APS twins breaking 500 whp on a DD is about right - and perfect for a street car imo. str8dum1, u wait till ur running 700 and then report back! Always debatable whether running more power is worth the risk of more headaches, built motor or not... After running awhile relatively trouble free you start taking the setup for granted.

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 02:27 AM
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Heres the race for the OP's Z with the R35. I must say pretty good distance compared to the power difference between the 2 cars.


[youtube]O4KcAyWa2pg[/youtube]
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:29 AM
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If boost is tapering downward in the upper rpm's, no boost controller on the planet is likely to help. That is an exhaust flow and/or wastegate issue, plain and simple.
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
^ hopefully you are one the stock block, as 512 DD is pretty weak on a built motor and doesnt take 2 years of tweaking to reach
**nm, i remember you sayin 500 hp built was your max safety level. carry on
Sharif built the car to my horsepower goals which in fact are not to explore the maximum horsepower 'possible' from my setup on his DD. The motor is built and currently has over 30K trouble free daily driven miles on it and I'm not easy on it either - so my goal has been met.
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
Thanks ToastZ - i actually looked up your build thread and got the details there. See u again at the airstrip?
I'll be there. Planning to drive up again with the Forged Crew including XKR i think. Hopefully we all arrive with everyone's car healthy this year! Last year I was right behind Mike an hour out of Fontana when his turbo detonated,.. we'll have better luck this year for sure
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 05:38 AM
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512 whp on shariffs DD is not weak by any means unless all you're doing is e-posing. Sounds like a more than sensible figure for a reliable car. Sure as hell beats building multiple motors like so many other have who are merely chasing a random #

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