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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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Ya if you are doing E85, go straight to the ID2000's no question.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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eh, 1200's and e85 will make enough power to put the motor into the stratosphere (at least from what I've seen at SP on the supra's).

Gotta have mucho pumps too!!!

Tom

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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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The CJM twin pumps is plenty..right?
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:28 AM
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eh, 1200's and e85 will make enough power to put the motor into the stratosphere (at least from what I've seen at SP on the supra's).

Gotta have mucho pumps too!!!

Tom
Not true, me and Joe Kinefec both maxed ours out at mid to high 600s on a DD. And I am at 100% DC at WOT

I even had my injectors tested just to be sure and they flowed 1290cc
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:47 AM
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and for good measure here is one of my data logs, IDC is on the bottom
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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Interesting info...guess I'll just go with the tried and true oil based C16 when I need to!!!!

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Old May 28, 2010 | 11:02 AM
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/\/\/\More fuel for fire....is it out of fuel (through injectors) or running lots of boost?

Here's a supra on 1000cc's making 600RWHP E85


And a Supra on 1600cc's making 1000rwhp on E85


So assuming right turbo(s), with addequate flow....spliting the difference (un-scientifically of course)....mid 700's on E85 with 1200's shouldn't be out of the question.

(all in theory of course)

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Old May 28, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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ya 650s on a DD, so low 700s on a DJ
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Old May 28, 2010 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
ya 650s on a DD, so low 700s on a DJ
Joe hit 680 before he ran out of injector on his DD, so that would be about 768 on a DJ
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Old May 28, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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Yea but thats in Indiana.....everyone knows that Indiana doesn't count!!!!!!!!

(sorry had to, I'm in chi-town)

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Joe hit 680 before he ran out of injector on his DD, so that would be about 768 on a DJ
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Old May 28, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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Yea but thats in Indiana.....everyone knows that Indiana doesn't count!!!!!!!!

(sorry had to, I'm in chi-town)

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Originally Posted by Blackbird CPV35
Not true, me and Joe Kinefec both maxed ours out at mid to high 600s on a DD. And I am at 100% DC at WOT

I even had my injectors tested just to be sure and they flowed 1290cc


Something is seriously wrong!! You can make 1200 RWHP on a 6 spd all day on gas on 1200 cc injectors, on E85 figure 28% less so about 850 RWHP and that is at regular pressures. Increase the FP and you can get nearly 1000 RWHP.


What was your static FP and do you have a 1-1 regulator?


What ECU are you using? Do the injector drivers have enough current capability to actually run the injectors at 100%. Did you scope the injectors to make sure you really are at 100%? Most ECUs calculate injector duties wrong!! Was your car going lean?

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Something is seriously wrong!! You can make 1200 RWHP on a 6 spd all day on gas on 1200 cc injectors, on E85 figure 28% less so about 850 RWHP and that is at regular pressures. Increase the FP and you can get nearly 1000 RWHP.


What was your static FP and do you have a 1-1 regulator?


What ECU are you using? Do the injector drivers have enough current capability to actually run the injectors at 100%. Did you scope the injectors to make sure you really are at 100%? Most ECUs calculate injector duties wrong!! Was your car going lean?


I figured the EMS was calculating it wrong but I didnt want to push it, static FP was 50ish IIRC and I have an Aeromotive 1:1 regulator

Currently on Haltech and it doesnt lean out
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Old May 28, 2010 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbird CPV35
I figured the EMS was calculating it wrong but I didnt want to push it, static FP was 50ish IIRC and I have an Aeromotive 1:1 regulator

Currently on Haltech and it doesnt lean out


Yeah, AEMs calculate it wrong too!! I often see duty cycles of 130% on AEMs and you know that can not be correct. You have a lot of room left!!
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Old May 28, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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interesting...maybe i'll tune to e85 on my 1000's then.

i'm gonna go scouting for e85 stations now!
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Old May 28, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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For the folks in the midwest it is a great option for built cars, but east coast not so much.....there is (or was last time I looked) 1 E85 station within 30 miles of me.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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rich, you ever make anything of that e30 or e40?

i think i could handle going that route since i'm only on 1000cc injectors. i'll be right around 600hp so the breaking point for e85. I think i'll have plenty left in it to do e40. only crappy part is making sure my mixture is correct everytime i go fill up!
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Old May 28, 2010 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
only crappy part is making sure my mixture is correct everytime i go fill up!

Buy a ProEFI !! that part is automatic
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Old May 28, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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Larry,
Why do I have visions of you sitting at your computer looking over at my car with 1200's, and turbos capable of 850rwhp easy.....drooling......

Tom

Originally Posted by SoundPerformance
Something is seriously wrong!! You can make 1200 RWHP on a 6 spd all day on gas on 1200 cc injectors, on E85 figure 28% less so about 850 RWHP and that is at regular pressures. Increase the FP and you can get nearly 1000 RWHP.


What was your static FP and do you have a 1-1 regulator?


What ECU are you using? Do the injector drivers have enough current capability to actually run the injectors at 100%. Did you scope the injectors to make sure you really are at 100%? Most ECUs calculate injector duties wrong!! Was your car going lean?
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Old May 28, 2010 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
only crappy part is making sure my mixture is correct everytime i go fill up!
thats why i bought the ProEFI... Let it do all the work on the fly. Also dont have to worry about running the tank on empty. Theres a few E85 stations around me but not on every corner, so no matter what i can just pull into any gas station and fill up on 93 of E85 depending on what they have .
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