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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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weird that you are smoking, since the setup is obviously fine on BP's. so what's your next step? I'd pull off everything with oil, clean with brake cleaner, and try again.

FWIW i use -12AN on my return. And tthe turbowerks is only 3/8th NPT. I wish it was 1/2"

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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 09:08 AM
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weird that you are smoking, since the setup is obviously fine on BP's. so what's your next step? I'd pull off everything with oil, clean with brake cleaner, and try again.

FWIW i use -12AN on my return. And tthe turbowerks is only 3/8th NPT. I wish it was 1/2"


Correct, it is 3/8" not 1/2" like I thought.

The reason you use the -12an is because you have an actual line going from the turbo to the reservoir. It is very much the same as having a drain going to the oil pan. My reservoir is mounted right to the turbo, so there is no need for that line.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 09:31 AM
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i run -12AN from the turbos to the reservoir to the pump to the motor.

But like you said, if the oil isnt backing up, it doesnt really matter what size you use.

Hopefully a good cleaning will get ride of all the residual oil and there really wont be a problem.s
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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I ran the return over the cross member like it said in the instructions.

my main reason behind no restriction is simple: if oil isn't coming out the short vent hole then obviously the res isn't backed up and full of oil. That's a huge "duh"
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 10:58 AM
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thats weird then.. if BP is not smoking at all.. its gotta be something else?. I really dont see the fittings being restrictive as I think they are big enough and from the looks of it it will flow plenty.

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Here is what i did to extend the filter a little higher. works great. there is plenty of room, im going to extend it a little more.


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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 12:15 PM
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lol, that's a little ghetto.

3/8" hose will work just fine for me!
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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this way i dont have to secure the hose anywhere it just sticks up... i tried ok lol
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 08:33 PM
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decided to drive the car to the university this evening to study. It didn't smke. I got int boost a little on the drive. I think my boost solenoid is hooked up wrong becuz I have it set to 8psi and I hit 11psi boost cut. I'll have to mess wirh that now I guess here when I have time at the end f the week. So good news. I'm gonna drive it a little more and see if it decides to smoke again.
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decided to drive the car to the university this evening to study. It didn't smke. I got int boost a little on the drive. I think my boost solenoid is hooked up wrong becuz I have it set to 8psi and I hit 11psi boost cut. I'll have to mess wirh that now I guess here when I have time at the end f the week. So good news. I'm gonna drive it a little more and see if it decides to smoke again.
Good to hear Jeff. How is your boost control set up through Haltech? There are two ways to set it up.
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i thought u had 1 bar spring in your wastegate?
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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Good to hear Jeff. How is your boost control set up through Haltech? There are two ways to set it up.
It's not the haltech. I'll email you my map here and you can check it.


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i thought u had 1 bar spring in your wastegate?
This is my other theory. It was supposed to be 1 bar but i was informed that it came with only a .5bar (7.3psi) and i had to add a second large .5 spring in there to get 1 bar. So either i have my hoses plummed wrong (which i did it exactly like the diagram) or they actually did send the wastegate with 1 bar. I guess i can jack my boost pressure up to 15psi and see if it changes anything. I was trying to keep low psi before i had it tuned though.

sasa, any chance i could have 1 bar already?
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Your boost control may not be set up properly on the Haltech. If you go in with a laptop you can turn it off all together and then go for a sping and see what you get.

I am positive that you have the .5bar spring. The number is on the wastegate box, as I send all the components in the original manufacturer labled boxes. That way there is no confusion.

I would hold off from going in to boost untill you get it tuned.
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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Your boost control may not be set up properly on the Haltech. If you go in with a laptop you can turn it off all together and then go for a sping and see what you get.

I am positive that you have the .5bar spring. The number is on the wastegate box, as I send all the components in the original manufacturer labled boxes. That way there is no confusion.

I would hold off from going in to boost untill you get it tuned.
well, the reason i'm trying to go into boost is to check the turbo. I have my timing pulled back a few degrees off my previous tune from hal so it should be safe for my engine.

i needed to see if everything was going to hold up. I don't want to drive 6 hours to get a tune nad have something wrong. i can't afford the time away to make a bunch of trips.
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 09:02 AM
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here's a diagram of how i have it plummed.

sasha, email with haltech map sent to you already.
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well, the reason i'm trying to go into boost is to check the turbo. I have my timing pulled back a few degrees off my previous tune from hal so it should be safe for my engine.

i needed to see if everything was going to hold up. I don't want to drive 6 hours to get a tune nad have something wrong. i can't afford the time away to make a bunch of trips.
Yeah, that makes sense. Email recieved.

This is how it hooks up:


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ya, that's how mine is in the drawing right?
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ya, that's how mine is in the drawing right?
Yup, that is how my is set up.
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If you are seeing 11psi, on a 7psi spring, good chance thats boost creep. What size is the wastegate?
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
If you are seeing 11psi, on a 7psi spring, good chance thats boost creep. What size is the wastegate?
38mm tial. at that boost level it shouldn't be creep.

plus my wastegate isn't even opening at all. it's open dump so i would hear it open. There is zero open, the only thing that stopped my boost was the overboost protection from haltech.

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38mm tial. at that boost level it shouldn't be creep.

plus my wastegate isn't even opening at all. it's open dump so i would hear it open. There is zero open, the only thing that stopped my boost was the overboost protection from haltech.
Sounds like a boost control issue. The gate should open, and you would def. hear it.

If the hoses are doe right, you may have an electrical issue. The selonoid polarity does not matter when pulling the wires from the Haltech, as long as they are the correct wires.

I would get the car up and just run a hose from the lower wastegate port to the turbo compressor and see what happens. It should hold boost at spring pressure.
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