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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdem
Well it ís bigger than the stock one isn't it?

maybe it would be even better with a same size "normal" IC
Yes, It's larger. I larger "normal" intercooler would probably be better but hey...it's what I've got so I may as well use it.
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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 07:13 PM
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Today I finally had the chance to give it a good whirl ( First time driving on a dry road in 2 WEEKS! I hate how much it rains here...anyways... ). On a good run from about 10mph to 100mph ( 1st, 2nd, and top of 3rd on my 5AT ) my IAT's went up 41* ( from 95* to 136* ) and my peak boost was 13psi ( up from 12* I saw right before I switched intercoolers ).

From the looks of it, the cooling part is better than before with instant recovery ( the other intercooler would heat soak pretty bad ) and I saw a 1psi gain in boost.

Guess it's time to dyno it. I can't believe this $170 intercooler ( $125 after a refund from the seller due to his mistake on sending me the wrong one ) is apparently not bad at all.

I wouldnt assume this is better my friend! Your seeing the benefits of having more mass of aluminum and its ability to dissipate heat.But it doesnt mean the intercooler is better.It just means it is a good heat sink! And an increase of boost is telling me that this intercooler is not working as well as it should and more then likely..... you are seeing increased boost from the lack of internal fins which normally slows down airflow and provides cooling. As air cools, pressure drops. This means that you would normally make less boost because the air is cooler and more dense with a better intercooler.

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I wouldnt assume this is better my friend! Your seeing the benefits of having more mass of aluminum and its ability to dissipate heat.But it doesnt mean the intercooler is better.It just means it is a good heat sink! And an increase of boost is telling me that this intercooler is not working as well as it should and more then likely..... you are seeing increased boost from the lack of internal fins which normally slows down airflow and provides cooling. As air cools, pressure drops. This means that you would normally make less boost because the air is cooler and more dense with a better intercooler.
But the temps are the same ( if not better ) as before, so this cannot be the case...can it?

Same temps + more boost should equal more power.

Now, If I was seeing higher temps than before plus more boost than what your saying would make sense.

I see it this way. More aluminum and more mass means more cooling, while few internal fins means less restriction ( the reason why boost could go up could also be due to less restriction ). I am wrong here?

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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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*edit*

My reading is fail..makes sense now.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
Yes, It's larger. I larger "normal" intercooler would probably be better but hey...it's what I've got so I may as well use it.
Fair enough
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
But the temps are the same ( if not better ) as before, so this cannot be the case...can it?

Same temps + more boost should equal more power.

Now, If I was seeing higher temps than before plus more boost than what your saying would make sense.

I see it this way. More aluminum and more mass means more cooling, while few internal fins means less restriction ( the reason why boost could go up could also be due to less restriction ). I am wrong here?
To a point yes and no. A huge heat sink without enough internal surface area to absorb heat won't be that effiecient. More aluminum and more mass does mean more cooling capacity but the internal fins are the actual means by which the heats is taken out of the air.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Quamen
To a point yes and no. A huge heat sink without enough internal surface area to absorb heat won't be that effiecient. More aluminum and more mass does mean more cooling capacity but the internal fins are the actual means by which the heats is taken out of the air.
Correct, but could I assume that if temps stay the same and boost goes up then so does power? The car feels pretty freaking awesome...but it could be placebo...lol.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 07:20 AM
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regardless, you have the logs showing an improvement. possibly not the best solution, but it is still working for ya and that's what matters
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 07:25 AM
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more on what quamen was saying:

The internal fins are highly necessary as it drastically increases the surface area for which the hot air comes in contact with......thereby allowing for a greater area for heat to transfer from the hot "forced inductions" air into the aluminum heat exchanger (in this case an air to air intercooler). the external fins act as heat sinks to pull heat away from the internal air passages....and those external fins are cooled by ambient air passing through the external fins as the intercooler (and car) moves through the air.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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And the thing that has to be taken into consideration is what happens after run 1, run 2 and then run 3. I suspect the cooling will be greatly diminished on run 3 vs. run 1.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
And the thing that has to be taken into consideration is what happens after run 1, run 2 and then run 3. I suspect the cooling will be greatly diminished on run 3 vs. run 1.
Nope, I had posted this before:

From the looks of it, the cooling part is better than before with instant recovery ( the other intercooler would heat soak pretty bad ) and I saw a 1psi gain in boost.
The other intercooler could go as high as 180* in just 2-3 runs...but this one stays at 140-150* regardless the amount of runs ( within reason I suppose ).

I'm gonna see if I can dyno soon.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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Results are in...and they are surprising no doubt.

I gained 35whp and 43wtrq by just swapping out the intercooler. I changed nothing else!

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...ml#post8553317
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Old Jul 30, 2010 | 10:32 PM
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Point proven, I am looking into getting a larger ic, however I have a bar and plate right now. This thread has me interested in these ics.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 01:50 AM
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Link to buy please?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 04:45 AM
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Found one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAZDA...#ht_2801wt_937
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is that the same one you have?^^^^
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 07:26 PM
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nice gains...
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by akks350z
is that the same one you have?^^^^
Yup. Same exact one.
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Old Aug 6, 2010 | 09:56 AM
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well let me know how it holds up after a month or so....usually get what you pay for on ebay...thing might spring a leak...
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Old Aug 6, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by akks350z
well let me know how it holds up after a month or so....usually get what you pay for on ebay...thing might spring a leak...

LOL.No way! Its made in China by some poor slave that gets paid 10 cents a day
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