Help with choosing a single turbo kit
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boosted performance has the easiest install, least expensive, and least complicated single turbo system.
Vas installed his in a day and he doesn't have a "ton" of mechanical background.
Turbonetics have junk turbos. Find all teh threads, people that have them have continious problems.
Powerlab aren't bad, tons use them, the install is harder to get things to fit but the product is good. It's afew grand more expensive than the boosted kit. It works great for stock block power.
Truthfully, if it's your daily i think you need to walk away from FI. This isn't your stealth that came TT from teh factory. Cars that aren't factory boosted NEVER work as smooth as a car that you add to it. I would never use a non-boosted car that i've boosted as a daily driver. You're asking for issues. I know beacuse i have 3 friends with vr4's and stealth tt's. Even with all their upgrades they have far less problems with their FI systems.
Vas installed his in a day and he doesn't have a "ton" of mechanical background.
Turbonetics have junk turbos. Find all teh threads, people that have them have continious problems.
Powerlab aren't bad, tons use them, the install is harder to get things to fit but the product is good. It's afew grand more expensive than the boosted kit. It works great for stock block power.
Truthfully, if it's your daily i think you need to walk away from FI. This isn't your stealth that came TT from teh factory. Cars that aren't factory boosted NEVER work as smooth as a car that you add to it. I would never use a non-boosted car that i've boosted as a daily driver. You're asking for issues. I know beacuse i have 3 friends with vr4's and stealth tt's. Even with all their upgrades they have far less problems with their FI systems.
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Thanks for sending the manual. I'll take a look though it and see how everything looks
Do you have those 2 members that have done the BP ST of yours?
Also, i noticed that the intake air filter is right under the engine to the side under the car. That scars me a little. Reason being is that wouldn't it get really dirty and all from being right there instead of tucked up under the hood more? Would it be possible to get a longer pipe in your kit for achieving this or will there not be enough room to do that?
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Do you have those 2 members that have done the BP ST of yours?
Also, i noticed that the intake air filter is right under the engine to the side under the car. That scars me a little. Reason being is that wouldn't it get really dirty and all from being right there instead of tucked up under the hood more? Would it be possible to get a longer pipe in your kit for achieving this or will there not be enough room to do that?
David
I don't even have teh angled piece for the air filter like it shows in the kit. Mine makes a 90* bend and goes striaght forward and sits right on ground level. I have drove mine in rain without issues. I've also had this filter on the car since late may with no issues on dirt.
Open filterse up in the engine bay suck up just as much road grime. My vortech filter had to be cleaned once a month and it sits right up in the engine bay. It was horribly dirty all the time.
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The single and twin turbo systems we build will work on the automatic transmission cars.DE and Rev-up.Just another option.Cars make very good power at low boost and we use a Precision Billet turbo.
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=1014
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=1014
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Yesterday was the first day of the car 100% done with boost controller working properly and no crazy engine oil leak from that stupid drain pipe.
I posted a while ago what i logged at certain rpms, i think in vas's thread. Untuned i'm hitting 10psi around 4k, sometimes 4100. That's in 3rd gear so it'll be lower than the 5th gear pull they did. I'll try to get a 5th gear pull to compare. The load is higher so i should boost lower. I think i did a quick stab in 4th gear and logged 10psi down at 3800rpms.
3 weeks from the dyno. I need to start making my build thread.
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Alright, noted. Thanks DB350
I'm beginning to lean more toward the BP right now. PowerLab's is sadly way too much compared to BP right now. I would have probably gone with PowerLab's ST if they had the same price as the BP one since i like it to be under the hood instead of mid-ways down the cars under body-but again, thats just me and my never ending quest of picky-ness on stuff like that.
Yes i can agree that BP does seem to have a very easy installation for their kit. Though, that being said, i do not know how PowerLabs put's theirs in since i have not seen the install manual for them.
I need to talk to Vas then . i'm sure i can install it but i like to do all my homework and background before even considering putting one in. Knowledge is power (especially when plunking down 4k+!!!!)
Note: Turbonetics has junk turbos = Turbonetics is junk. Check.
And thank you for being honest about what you would have done in my situation if it was a daily driver for you. I, like many others here im sure, enjoy just being able to put one in and hear that "sound". And again, i'm not going out every saturday night looking for a street race or even looking at all. Though, i just like to have that oooph whenever i would need it when a driver in front of me is going 30 in a 50 and i need to pass them...in style of course
Hum... i really dont know what to think about that air filter being right there. I have a K&N FIPK on the stealth and it gets dirty after awhile and thats being under to hook not exposed to anything much other than the "norm". I just fear that i would go over a puddle and the car would dip enough for it to suck some water right into the turbo....poof...
Thanks for posting the link there, TurboTim (i like the name) but thats pretty much out of my price range right now.
He did a really great job at putting the turbo kit together. Now only if he could make a little modification for me and i'd be set to get a kit from him in the next few weeks
Well Zridder... You show respect and you get it in return (unless your a teen then you just act like you know it all and start the drama).
Again, thank you all for your continued help with my questions and concerns!
David
Single turbo I would go either Boosted Performance or PowerLab. Im not turbo but I have done tons of research. Mostly everyone who has the PowerLab kit is in love, and both the guys who have the Boosted Performance love it lol. From my research I would probably pick Boosted Performance due to the placement of the turbo. The heat is able to escape from the bottom of the car and not stay cooped up in the engine bay.
boosted performance has the easiest install, least expensive, and least complicated single turbo system.
Vas installed his in a day and he doesn't have a "ton" of mechanical background.
Turbonetics have junk turbos. Find all teh threads, people that have them have continious problems.
Powerlab aren't bad, tons use them, the install is harder to get things to fit but the product is good. It's afew grand more expensive than the boosted kit. It works great for stock block power.
Truthfully, if it's your daily i think you need to walk away from FI. This isn't your stealth that came TT from teh factory. Cars that aren't factory boosted NEVER work as smooth as a car that you add to it. I would never use a non-boosted car that i've boosted as a daily driver. You're asking for issues. I know beacuse i have 3 friends with vr4's and stealth tt's. Even with all their upgrades they have far less problems with their FI systems.
Vas installed his in a day and he doesn't have a "ton" of mechanical background.
Turbonetics have junk turbos. Find all teh threads, people that have them have continious problems.
Powerlab aren't bad, tons use them, the install is harder to get things to fit but the product is good. It's afew grand more expensive than the boosted kit. It works great for stock block power.
Truthfully, if it's your daily i think you need to walk away from FI. This isn't your stealth that came TT from teh factory. Cars that aren't factory boosted NEVER work as smooth as a car that you add to it. I would never use a non-boosted car that i've boosted as a daily driver. You're asking for issues. I know beacuse i have 3 friends with vr4's and stealth tt's. Even with all their upgrades they have far less problems with their FI systems.
I need to talk to Vas then . i'm sure i can install it but i like to do all my homework and background before even considering putting one in. Knowledge is power (especially when plunking down 4k+!!!!)
Note: Turbonetics has junk turbos = Turbonetics is junk. Check.
And thank you for being honest about what you would have done in my situation if it was a daily driver for you. I, like many others here im sure, enjoy just being able to put one in and hear that "sound". And again, i'm not going out every saturday night looking for a street race or even looking at all. Though, i just like to have that oooph whenever i would need it when a driver in front of me is going 30 in a 50 and i need to pass them...in style of course
i'm one of them, but i have a bigger turbo and full built engine so mine is slightly modified.
I don't even have teh angled piece for the air filter like it shows in the kit. Mine makes a 90* bend and goes striaght forward and sits right on ground level. I have drove mine in rain without issues. I've also had this filter on the car since late may with no issues on dirt.
Open filterse up in the engine bay suck up just as much road grime. My vortech filter had to be cleaned once a month and it sits right up in the engine bay. It was horribly dirty all the time.
I don't even have teh angled piece for the air filter like it shows in the kit. Mine makes a 90* bend and goes striaght forward and sits right on ground level. I have drove mine in rain without issues. I've also had this filter on the car since late may with no issues on dirt.
Open filterse up in the engine bay suck up just as much road grime. My vortech filter had to be cleaned once a month and it sits right up in the engine bay. It was horribly dirty all the time.
The single and twin turbo systems we build will work on the automatic transmission cars.DE and Rev-up.Just another option.Cars make very good power at low boost and we use a Precision Billet turbo.
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=1014
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=1014
Again, thank you all for your continued help with my questions and concerns!
David
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yah.. i dunno what id do lol
fyi also oems have been putting turbos in the engine bay for years, concern about location on engine bay is exagerated..in terms of operating tem the engine works its meaningless...its great to have no issues even in arizona heat.
fyi also oems have been putting turbos in the engine bay for years, concern about location on engine bay is exagerated..in terms of operating tem the engine works its meaningless...its great to have no issues even in arizona heat.
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Gonna be writing up a review in the near future.
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sicknesss ^^!
edit : I have to update my thread soon!. Ive done a bunch of new things!.. new downpipe with QTP cutout .. also planning of getting a new meth tune... here is a short video taken with the iphone. The sound is just insane.. you cant tell from the iphone ... but Im editing a pretty cool video I put together in HD. stay tuned!
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edit : I have to update my thread soon!. Ive done a bunch of new things!.. new downpipe with QTP cutout .. also planning of getting a new meth tune... here is a short video taken with the iphone. The sound is just insane.. you cant tell from the iphone ... but Im editing a pretty cool video I put together in HD. stay tuned!
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sicknesss ^^!
edit : I have to update my thread soon!. Ive done a bunch of new things!.. new downpipe with QTP cutout .. also planning of getting a new meth tune... here is a short video taken with the iphone. The sound is just insane.. you cant tell from the iphone ... but Im editing a pretty cool video I put together in HD. stay tuned!
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edit : I have to update my thread soon!. Ive done a bunch of new things!.. new downpipe with QTP cutout .. also planning of getting a new meth tune... here is a short video taken with the iphone. The sound is just insane.. you cant tell from the iphone ... but Im editing a pretty cool video I put together in HD. stay tuned!
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BP's kit probably has the shortest and smoothest exhaust piping for a single turbo kit. If I have the funds to go turbo (and do it right) I'd probably go with the BP kit. Both BP and PowerLab will make more than enough power to push the stock internal's limit. Another low cost option is the STS rear mounted turbo kit, read through the STS thread if you're interested in that.
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OP im running the PowerLab GT35R and its been great. U can see from my thread the install that was done by GreenGoblin. I haven't had a single issue *knock on wood* and I must say that I love this kit. For a stock block its great and works REALLY well if u have an awesome installer should be no problem. No over-heating issues or anything like that at all. Car hits full boost everytime the key ignition is turned to on and I drive it like I stole it
I've also seen BP's single turbo and must say it's very nice and customer service is up to par with his kit if not even better from what ive read!
Definite potential for more power in future..
Those r my opinions
In the end it's up to you and how far ur willing to go and I expect to be reading up on an install thread VERY soon or I think a should be in order after ALL the help and nice folks you've come acrossed here! Im very shocked at the turn for the good this community is starting to make!
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Hum... i really dont know what to think about that air filter being right there. I have a K&N FIPK on the stealth and it gets dirty after awhile and thats being under to hook not exposed to anything much other than the "norm". I just fear that i would go over a puddle and the car would dip enough for it to suck some water right into the turbo....poof...
Here's a huge misconception because everyone tells these "myth" horror stories. First, you would have to FULLY submerge that filter in water to cause problems. If water splashes onto a filter it doesn't necissarily go striaght inside. It will sit on teh filter media which is oil covered (oil blocks water because it's hydrophobic) and will dry out. if you saturate it then some water may come into the compressor housing. Now you have to relize how fast is that water going to vaporize in a hot compressor housing? Then after it does make it past that it has to go through the piping to the intercooler then into the intake.
water in an intake isn't a problem. people INJECT water into intakes for cooling. On a high build water injection you are injecting 500cc a minute (or higher depending the hp level) of water into the intake. That's a lot more than a splash of water.
I'm telling you this because i get sick of the water into intake ******** that is spewed around the car world. If you make a decision it definitely shouldn't involve worrying about getting a splash of water on the filter of a oil infused filter. Plus the top of the filter is about 10" off the ground on this kit. So you would need to be in about 10" of water to submerge the filter completely. At that point you have more problems than just the water on the filter.