Holset turbo thread
Holset turbo thread
Did a few searches, and only came up with a few people that ran Holset turbos, and they're from a while ago. Yes, they ARE diesel turbos.
Was just sitting here after a long night of work, debating on pulling the trigger on one along with some other supporting items. I got to thinking, for the price... wouldn't a person be able to fabricate a relatively cheap FI setup, ecu and tuning aside?
Are there any people here currently using a Holset turbo? I know the general populous loves Garrett, but getting around some other GTR owners here, the Holset name came up quite a few times... the HX40 in particular.
They're extremely cheap compared to Garretts, maybe being an average of $500 for a new unit, and can support a good amount of power... as most people here with them are around 500-600hp (don't know their trims), stating quick spool up being just a tiny bit slower than our stock GTR ones.
Give me some insight, people! Is it just the lack of advertising or information that turns people off? or is it the whole ball-bearing craze?
Was just sitting here after a long night of work, debating on pulling the trigger on one along with some other supporting items. I got to thinking, for the price... wouldn't a person be able to fabricate a relatively cheap FI setup, ecu and tuning aside?
Are there any people here currently using a Holset turbo? I know the general populous loves Garrett, but getting around some other GTR owners here, the Holset name came up quite a few times... the HX40 in particular.
They're extremely cheap compared to Garretts, maybe being an average of $500 for a new unit, and can support a good amount of power... as most people here with them are around 500-600hp (don't know their trims), stating quick spool up being just a tiny bit slower than our stock GTR ones.
Give me some insight, people! Is it just the lack of advertising or information that turns people off? or is it the whole ball-bearing craze?
I'm running a Holset Hx40 on my g35 now, I fabricated a kit using BP's design , I was running 9.5psi up until I spun 2 bearing. The car made 415whp & 380trq on dynodynamics. I'm rebuilding the block now and will see how much I can make on it on high boost. I'm planing to have a precission 6765 if I don't get to 600whp with the Hx40.
I can post a link to my build thread over another forum if you like.
I can post a link to my build thread over another forum if you like.
I think this has a lot to do with who owns 350z's. If you look at the other (much cheaper) platforms, they have tried/use ebay turbos, Holset, Master Power, or any other turbo brand on the market that they think can make power.
With the Z, the crowd is a bit more mature, and has probably gone through modifying at lest one, maybe two cars before being able to afford the Z. With pockets that are a bit deeper and an age that makes them a bit wiser, they don’t want to “waste” money on anything other than proven parts.
I am by no means saying that a Holset turbo doesn’t make power, it’s just that it hasn’t been tried around here.
There are a couple of turbo brands that I have been meaning to try, but just have not had the time. Holset and MP for example have been in the turbo business for a very long time, and many other platforms out there wouldn’t run anything else.
With the Z, the crowd is a bit more mature, and has probably gone through modifying at lest one, maybe two cars before being able to afford the Z. With pockets that are a bit deeper and an age that makes them a bit wiser, they don’t want to “waste” money on anything other than proven parts.
I am by no means saying that a Holset turbo doesn’t make power, it’s just that it hasn’t been tried around here.
There are a couple of turbo brands that I have been meaning to try, but just have not had the time. Holset and MP for example have been in the turbo business for a very long time, and many other platforms out there wouldn’t run anything else.
I'm running a Holset Hx40 on my g35 now, I fabricated a kit using BP's design , I was running 9.5psi up until I spun 2 bearing. The car made 415whp & 380trq on dynodynamics. I'm rebuilding the block now and will see how much I can make on it on high boost. I'm planing to have a precission 6765 if I don't get to 600whp with the Hx40.
I can post a link to my build thread over another forum if you like.
I can post a link to my build thread over another forum if you like.
I think this has a lot to do with who owns 350z's. If you look at the other (much cheaper) platforms, they have tried/use ebay turbos, Holset, Master Power, or any other turbo brand on the market that they think can make power.
With the Z, the crowd is a bit more mature, and has probably gone through modifying at lest one, maybe two cars before being able to afford the Z. With pockets that are a bit deeper and an age that makes them a bit wiser, they don’t want to “waste” money on anything other than proven parts.
I am by no means saying that a Holset turbo doesn’t make power, it’s just that it hasn’t been tried around here.
There are a couple of turbo brands that I have been meaning to try, but just have not had the time. Holset and MP for example have been in the turbo business for a very long time, and many other platforms out there wouldn’t run anything else.
With the Z, the crowd is a bit more mature, and has probably gone through modifying at lest one, maybe two cars before being able to afford the Z. With pockets that are a bit deeper and an age that makes them a bit wiser, they don’t want to “waste” money on anything other than proven parts.
I am by no means saying that a Holset turbo doesn’t make power, it’s just that it hasn’t been tried around here.
There are a couple of turbo brands that I have been meaning to try, but just have not had the time. Holset and MP for example have been in the turbo business for a very long time, and many other platforms out there wouldn’t run anything else.
I'd love to see some projects.
http://g35nyc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37750
I have to check what AR it is, I also got H1c which is the Hx35 , I switched to HX40 since it flows more.
It is a t3 turbo and I know there are Turbine housings you can upgrade to, I did a whole lot of research on these turbos before. I can find the links to other forums where people compared them together, I think the most flowing one is the 8blade Hx40 compressor. I know you can mount the hx40 compressor housing with the 8blade on the hx35 turbine and it will flow nice and spool quick,
These turbos are designed really well since diesel exhaust is slow moving.
I have to check what AR it is, I also got H1c which is the Hx35 , I switched to HX40 since it flows more.
It is a t3 turbo and I know there are Turbine housings you can upgrade to, I did a whole lot of research on these turbos before. I can find the links to other forums where people compared them together, I think the most flowing one is the 8blade Hx40 compressor. I know you can mount the hx40 compressor housing with the 8blade on the hx35 turbine and it will flow nice and spool quick,
These turbos are designed really well since diesel exhaust is slow moving.
master power turbos and strong turbos widely used in the domestics. For the same sizes of precisio turbos they run in the 600$ range and are quite similar.
I would choose master power before holset because of the similarity in sizing as the precision as well as what i've seen in person on the domestics with MP.
Holset is a strong turbo, but a different design than what we normally use (in reguards to seals and housings, etc)
I would choose master power before holset because of the similarity in sizing as the precision as well as what i've seen in person on the domestics with MP.
Holset is a strong turbo, but a different design than what we normally use (in reguards to seals and housings, etc)
master power turbos and strong turbos widely used in the domestics. For the same sizes of precisio turbos they run in the 600$ range and are quite similar.
I would choose master power before holset because of the similarity in sizing as the precision as well as what i've seen in person on the domestics with MP.
Holset is a strong turbo, but a different design than what we normally use (in reguards to seals and housings, etc)
I would choose master power before holset because of the similarity in sizing as the precision as well as what i've seen in person on the domestics with MP.
Holset is a strong turbo, but a different design than what we normally use (in reguards to seals and housings, etc)
I chose originally twin 3431e's over "500hp" masterpower turbos for that reason.
Master power are brazilian made old garret designed turbos and are fantastic for the price. Friend had one and it spooled pretty damn fast considering the price and size on a 2.5liter.
Again though, with the customer service + upgrade ability of an entry level precision turbo there isn't much reason not to go with them, seeing as they cost damn near the same for almost all the t3/t4's. When you get into the bigger frame models things change a bit though.
As for holset, I wanted to try an hx40 or hx45 as the hx35 got great reviews among the dsm and rb crowd. Bjork's supra (look him up on youtube) uses some volvo diesel turbo. I think using a diesel turbo is a great idea, the turbines were designed for much slower moving colder diesel gases so they spool pretty damn well on gasoline motors, and are well made.
Why didn't I get one? None of the junkyards around here had any diesel turbos worth 2 sh*ts. They all get stripped off and sold in a jiffy. I had seriously considered twin hx35's (lawl, can you say vtec?). But now I'm set with this 7175.
@Sasha, I somewhat (respectfully) disagree. I think that a majority of the turbo Z community (not necessarily this forum) is drastically under educated about forced induction. The idea of making a custom kit is far beyond what most people are willing to do, so research in turbochargers themselves never goes too far. It is sad because then there are less turbo z's out there, but it does (as you said) yield more mature owners.
PS: you wanna send me that quote for that scavenge pump
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The difference between entry level precision and MP is about 400$ per turbo for the cheap precisions.....let alone the 1000-1400$ difference between the high end precisions.
So 400$ difference is pretty significant for someone only wanting to put down 400hp. For a high end build of course i would choose the nicer precisions. 10psi stock block build 400$ is a pretty significant amount of money in the build. In a 5500$ turbo kit that's a 7.2% savings which is more than any coupon or discount offered by vendors! Again, on a built engine this is a drop in the hat therefore precision is the way to go but for the budget boost stock block it's a good saving.
I have quite a few friends with domestics running 800hp on MP turbos that have never had an issue. My friend ryan is actually going back to his MP on his 383 stroker because his borg warner just failed after 3k miles on it and he was previously running 3 years on the MP turbo with no issues.
So 400$ difference is pretty significant for someone only wanting to put down 400hp. For a high end build of course i would choose the nicer precisions. 10psi stock block build 400$ is a pretty significant amount of money in the build. In a 5500$ turbo kit that's a 7.2% savings which is more than any coupon or discount offered by vendors! Again, on a built engine this is a drop in the hat therefore precision is the way to go but for the budget boost stock block it's a good saving.
I have quite a few friends with domestics running 800hp on MP turbos that have never had an issue. My friend ryan is actually going back to his MP on his 383 stroker because his borg warner just failed after 3k miles on it and he was previously running 3 years on the MP turbo with no issues.
Ok I did some searching on MP turbo and it seams they no longer offer market for US.
The is a company called Magnum turbo that makes the same turbos as MP. They are locates in FL.
I contacted them asking if they would like to sponsor my build with one of their t70 turbos and I can promote their products on the VQ platform. I wasn't asking for a free turbo but a nice diacound would be nice.
I wrote them an email as peofesional as I could and gave a few build parts. Including cosworth and BC parts.
This is what I got back from the owner :
" sorry man but I can't have my parts associated with Crower at all. They are dicks and I hate them.
Robert Josvai / Owner"
Seams like a very professional response.
The is a company called Magnum turbo that makes the same turbos as MP. They are locates in FL.
I contacted them asking if they would like to sponsor my build with one of their t70 turbos and I can promote their products on the VQ platform. I wasn't asking for a free turbo but a nice diacound would be nice.
I wrote them an email as peofesional as I could and gave a few build parts. Including cosworth and BC parts.
This is what I got back from the owner :
" sorry man but I can't have my parts associated with Crower at all. They are dicks and I hate them.
Robert Josvai / Owner"
Seams like a very professional response.
The difference between entry level precision and MP is about 400$ per turbo for the cheap precisions.....let alone the 1000-1400$ difference between the high end precisions.
So 400$ difference is pretty significant for someone only wanting to put down 400hp. For a high end build of course i would choose the nicer precisions. 10psi stock block build 400$ is a pretty significant amount of money in the build. In a 5500$ turbo kit that's a 7.2% savings which is more than any coupon or discount offered by vendors! Again, on a built engine this is a drop in the hat therefore precision is the way to go but for the budget boost stock block it's a good saving.
I have quite a few friends with domestics running 800hp on MP turbos that have never had an issue. My friend ryan is actually going back to his MP on his 383 stroker because his borg warner just failed after 3k miles on it and he was previously running 3 years on the MP turbo with no issues.
So 400$ difference is pretty significant for someone only wanting to put down 400hp. For a high end build of course i would choose the nicer precisions. 10psi stock block build 400$ is a pretty significant amount of money in the build. In a 5500$ turbo kit that's a 7.2% savings which is more than any coupon or discount offered by vendors! Again, on a built engine this is a drop in the hat therefore precision is the way to go but for the budget boost stock block it's a good saving.
I have quite a few friends with domestics running 800hp on MP turbos that have never had an issue. My friend ryan is actually going back to his MP on his 383 stroker because his borg warner just failed after 3k miles on it and he was previously running 3 years on the MP turbo with no issues.
Ok I did some searching on MP turbo and it seams they no longer offer market for US.
The is a company called Magnum turbo that makes the same turbos as MP. They are locates in FL.
I contacted them asking if they would like to sponsor my build with one of their t70 turbos and I can promote their products on the VQ platform. I wasn't asking for a free turbo but a nice diacound would be nice.
I wrote them an email as peofesional as I could and gave a few build parts. Including cosworth and BC parts.
This is what I got back from the owner :
" sorry man but I can't have my parts associated with Crower at all. They are dicks and I hate them.
Robert Josvai / Owner"
Seams like a very professional response.
The is a company called Magnum turbo that makes the same turbos as MP. They are locates in FL.
I contacted them asking if they would like to sponsor my build with one of their t70 turbos and I can promote their products on the VQ platform. I wasn't asking for a free turbo but a nice diacound would be nice.
I wrote them an email as peofesional as I could and gave a few build parts. Including cosworth and BC parts.
This is what I got back from the owner :
" sorry man but I can't have my parts associated with Crower at all. They are dicks and I hate them.
Robert Josvai / Owner"
Seams like a very professional response.
http://youtu.be/lMhLi05NtK4
I have seen this car in person, and the turbos have been in use for couple of years now without any issues (a lot of drag strip use). You are right, the Magnum turbos are Master Power, with the same 1 year warranty.
Compared to a Precision turbo the savings on a 67mm JB turbo are about $400, and the savings on a 67mm BB turbo are $700.
However, I don't think that this community would be interested in these if I was to offer them instead of the PTE turbos.
That's coz people are uneducated on Fi and only stick to what they hear others use.
Lots of maxima guys are using MP turbos , I might use their 67 or 70mm turbo with a divided housing and a quick spool valve
Lots of maxima guys are using MP turbos , I might use their 67 or 70mm turbo with a divided housing and a quick spool valve
The difference between entry level precision and MP is about 400$ per turbo for the cheap precisions.....let alone the 1000-1400$ difference between the high end precisions.
So 400$ difference is pretty significant for someone only wanting to put down 400hp. For a high end build of course i would choose the nicer precisions. 10psi stock block build 400$ is a pretty significant amount of money in the build. In a 5500$ turbo kit that's a 7.2% savings which is more than any coupon or discount offered by vendors! Again, on a built engine this is a drop in the hat therefore precision is the way to go but for the budget boost stock block it's a good saving.
I have quite a few friends with domestics running 800hp on MP turbos that have never had an issue. My friend ryan is actually going back to his MP on his 383 stroker because his borg warner just failed after 3k miles on it and he was previously running 3 years on the MP turbo with no issues.
So 400$ difference is pretty significant for someone only wanting to put down 400hp. For a high end build of course i would choose the nicer precisions. 10psi stock block build 400$ is a pretty significant amount of money in the build. In a 5500$ turbo kit that's a 7.2% savings which is more than any coupon or discount offered by vendors! Again, on a built engine this is a drop in the hat therefore precision is the way to go but for the budget boost stock block it's a good saving.
I have quite a few friends with domestics running 800hp on MP turbos that have never had an issue. My friend ryan is actually going back to his MP on his 383 stroker because his borg warner just failed after 3k miles on it and he was previously running 3 years on the MP turbo with no issues.
Idk where you got such a difference.
Those are billet wheel turbos.
Entry level precisions are non billet.
Just search precision entry level turbos.
They run up to about 62mm I believe.
Of the cheap t3/t4 hybrid family turbos out there (for that size range), I feel they are your best bet.
Edit, googled it myself.
First link is to a 480 flywheel hp turbo for 599$, second link is a cea (or billet) entry turbo.
Funny.
They run from 54mm-59mm.
Most powerfull turbo is rated for 600hp, 599$, 59mm (6076)
the 5431cea I found was 675$
Entry level precisions are non billet.
Just search precision entry level turbos.
They run up to about 62mm I believe.
Of the cheap t3/t4 hybrid family turbos out there (for that size range), I feel they are your best bet.
Edit, googled it myself.
First link is to a 480 flywheel hp turbo for 599$, second link is a cea (or billet) entry turbo.
Funny.
They run from 54mm-59mm.
Most powerfull turbo is rated for 600hp, 599$, 59mm (6076)
the 5431cea I found was 675$
Last edited by Resmarted; Nov 29, 2011 at 06:26 PM.
Those are billet wheel turbos.
Entry level precisions are non billet.
Just search precision entry level turbos.
They run up to about 62mm I believe.
Of the cheap t3/t4 hybrid family turbos out there (for that size range), I feel they are your best bet.
Edit, googled it myself.
First link is to a 480 flywheel hp turbo for 599$, second link is a cea (or billet) entry turbo.
Funny.
They run from 54mm-59mm.
Most powerfull turbo is rated for 600hp, 599$, 59mm (6076)
the 5431cea I found was 675$
Entry level precisions are non billet.
Just search precision entry level turbos.
They run up to about 62mm I believe.
Of the cheap t3/t4 hybrid family turbos out there (for that size range), I feel they are your best bet.
Edit, googled it myself.
First link is to a 480 flywheel hp turbo for 599$, second link is a cea (or billet) entry turbo.
Funny.
They run from 54mm-59mm.
Most powerfull turbo is rated for 600hp, 599$, 59mm (6076)
the 5431cea I found was 675$
The cheapest turbo they offer large enough for a single turbo on a 3.5liter engine would is 829.99$. Cast 6365e. The next step down in price is to a 59mm wheel which is too small for our displacement with a single.
none of those are large enough for a single turbo application that would be comparable to the MP turbos in the same sizes. You are comparing something almost 10mm in diameter smaller for the same price.
The cheapest turbo they offer large enough for a single turbo on a 3.5liter engine would is 829.99$. Cast 6365e. The next step down in price is to a 59mm wheel which is too small for our displacement with a single.
The cheapest turbo they offer large enough for a single turbo on a 3.5liter engine would is 829.99$. Cast 6365e. The next step down in price is to a 59mm wheel which is too small for our displacement with a single.
Besides I was saying for the t3/t4 hybrid family, can't beat the deal. Besides a 600hp small single turbo with the biggest a/r available would be great for a stock block setup.
Binder I feel like you selectively read everyone's posts... Not trying to start anything, but a lot of the time I see you responding/selecting very specific crap and ignoring a lot of stuff around it.