700hp turbo build goal
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From: Spartanburg(SparkleCity), SC
In for results on this build. Maybe I am just jaded... maybe it can be done and we are all missing something 
I can remember several times during the build process when decision points come up like:
Do you want to get a new HR oil pump?
Do you want to replace your timing chains and tensioners?
How about high end clutch fluid?
SS clutch line and install?
Upgraded clutch and flywheel?
CJM twin pump hanger or Bosch 044 inline pump setup?
Larger injectors and CJM rails?
Aftermarket plenum or spacer at minumum?
Gauges for boost, AFR and oil temp most likely?
Nissan engine gasket rebuild kit?
Separate purchase of the HR, HKS, Cosworth or Cometic head gaskets?
Pathfinder mod and/or Nismo thermostat?
Some shop or fab time for install (cause all these kits fit perfectly right out of the box
)?
Oil cooler setup?
Aftermarket crank balancer?
Exhaust?
Gaskets for the exhaust if you buy a used one?
Got a CD009 trans already, if not, you will need one?
Meatier tires for the rears, possibly some R888's at $300+ each?
Got the tires, don't try to drag it hard or add some axels to your list.
Header wrap or heat coating on the hot sides?
Upgraded radiator?
Upgrade to at least stock Brembos?
Recharge the AC lines if you take the engine out the front?
Street tune?
Max whp tune?
Race gas for max whp tune?
Boost controller (if not included in the kit)?
Oil and filter for start up and break in?
Oil and filter again... this time the expensive stuff for tuning?
Uprev flash to change redline and remove cells?
Meth kit to help keep intake temps down?
Not even mentioning the standard engine components, machining and assembly. Many of us that have done big builds forget all the little pieces that are thrown in on a build. Sure you could re-use some components and skip others all together, but if you want to push the limits and make BIG whp, is that really wise?
As the demographic of ownership changes and becomes younger there will be more owners trying to go F/I on a minimum budget and max out power at the same time. IMO, our platform reacts negatively to that combination.
Some of us build and everything goes smoothly. Others have done verything right with the best components and still had failure(s)... and not just me.
/rant
I can remember several times during the build process when decision points come up like:
Do you want to get a new HR oil pump?
Do you want to replace your timing chains and tensioners?
How about high end clutch fluid?
SS clutch line and install?
Upgraded clutch and flywheel?
CJM twin pump hanger or Bosch 044 inline pump setup?
Larger injectors and CJM rails?
Aftermarket plenum or spacer at minumum?
Gauges for boost, AFR and oil temp most likely?
Nissan engine gasket rebuild kit?
Separate purchase of the HR, HKS, Cosworth or Cometic head gaskets?
Pathfinder mod and/or Nismo thermostat?
Some shop or fab time for install (cause all these kits fit perfectly right out of the box
)?Oil cooler setup?
Aftermarket crank balancer?
Exhaust?
Gaskets for the exhaust if you buy a used one?
Got a CD009 trans already, if not, you will need one?
Meatier tires for the rears, possibly some R888's at $300+ each?
Got the tires, don't try to drag it hard or add some axels to your list.
Header wrap or heat coating on the hot sides?
Upgraded radiator?
Upgrade to at least stock Brembos?
Recharge the AC lines if you take the engine out the front?
Street tune?
Max whp tune?
Race gas for max whp tune?
Boost controller (if not included in the kit)?
Oil and filter for start up and break in?
Oil and filter again... this time the expensive stuff for tuning?
Uprev flash to change redline and remove cells?
Meth kit to help keep intake temps down?
Not even mentioning the standard engine components, machining and assembly. Many of us that have done big builds forget all the little pieces that are thrown in on a build. Sure you could re-use some components and skip others all together, but if you want to push the limits and make BIG whp, is that really wise?
As the demographic of ownership changes and becomes younger there will be more owners trying to go F/I on a minimum budget and max out power at the same time. IMO, our platform reacts negatively to that combination.
Some of us build and everything goes smoothly. Others have done verything right with the best components and still had failure(s)... and not just me.
/rant
^Yes. There are so many things that are overlooked when coming up with builds. Especially when you are looking at over 600rwhp.
Thermal coatings? What if there are leaks in fittings/hoses? Drain the coolant/oil, fix the leak. Get more coolant/oil. Oh, this piece doesn't fit, need to order a different one. Oh, need a bracket made here. This doesn't seem like much, but it definitely adds up.
If you can do it yourself, you can save a lot of money but you really need to know what you are doing and have the ability to do it. As mentioned before, if you plan on spending a certain amount, double that. If you can't afford it, don't attempt it.
I agree with all the supporting mods... As in, if you make that kind of power, are you going to be able to use it? Axles, tires (drag or street), new whees, upgraded brakes, suspension? Will you need aftermarket coolers? Brackets to fit those, lines to run those. The list goes on and on, and setting a cap at 10k, you're just setting yourself up for issues.
And with fuel, you don't want to get a cheaper fuel system and then be maxed out when you make your power that you want only to have to back it down because the injectors may fail.
Then you need to monitor everything, you going to get gauges? If so, how many? Of what? Where at? Lol, it just never ends.
I am with Cass, /rant
Thermal coatings? What if there are leaks in fittings/hoses? Drain the coolant/oil, fix the leak. Get more coolant/oil. Oh, this piece doesn't fit, need to order a different one. Oh, need a bracket made here. This doesn't seem like much, but it definitely adds up.
If you can do it yourself, you can save a lot of money but you really need to know what you are doing and have the ability to do it. As mentioned before, if you plan on spending a certain amount, double that. If you can't afford it, don't attempt it.
I agree with all the supporting mods... As in, if you make that kind of power, are you going to be able to use it? Axles, tires (drag or street), new whees, upgraded brakes, suspension? Will you need aftermarket coolers? Brackets to fit those, lines to run those. The list goes on and on, and setting a cap at 10k, you're just setting yourself up for issues.
And with fuel, you don't want to get a cheaper fuel system and then be maxed out when you make your power that you want only to have to back it down because the injectors may fail.
Then you need to monitor everything, you going to get gauges? If so, how many? Of what? Where at? Lol, it just never ends.
I am with Cass, /rant
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YO DOG. Read your first post.
Do you realize how dumb you look when you could have found ALL the answers on here by re-searching the topic?
If you don't want to figure out everything you need to do for 700hp, you better have damn deep pockets.
I thought I could do my build for under 10k, that was about 17k ago. I still got another 10k to go.
Search you little fawker.
I could lay out a plan for you, but this car is not that simple for FI. It really is a kind of survival of the fittest. If you can't take a few disses on a god damn forum, then you definitely won't figure out how to do a 600whp build for 10k.
Do you realize how dumb you look when you could have found ALL the answers on here by re-searching the topic?
If you don't want to figure out everything you need to do for 700hp, you better have damn deep pockets.
I thought I could do my build for under 10k, that was about 17k ago. I still got another 10k to go.
Search you little fawker.
I could lay out a plan for you, but this car is not that simple for FI. It really is a kind of survival of the fittest. If you can't take a few disses on a god damn forum, then you definitely won't figure out how to do a 600whp build for 10k.
you have alot less then me the summit brand line is alot cheaper then that website but i have dual 8 an lines going up and ALOT more fittings because of the fuel swirl pot and dual external pumps. BUT the upside is there should never be a need to upgrade the fuel system outside of the injectors even on e85 i suspect.
issue is dude the rods are done at 450 and some people have screwed them at lower then that depending how much they beat on it. unfortinatly on this platform dont ever expect to even break even its not going to happen if you sell your car your going to loose money this isnt a gtr, supra or evo.
Lol whatever you say boss, did do research just didn't go as in depth as some guys are on here. Simple turbo setups put over 400 to the ground so I figured if you can put almost 5 to the ground with no block work and maybe 6k invested or so surely you can hit a little higher with more boost and a built bottom end. Moneys not really a problem to tell you the truth since I totaled my bike and don't really have much debt but I still want to draw a line because I don't lose money when I sell cars typically I break even or gain money. This one is gonna be my most expensive project so far so I'll just go until I hit maybe 15k and see where I'm at. Not a little fawker either trust me lol, and I can take a few disses but do you think it would be easier to look through hundreds of pages of builds or start a simple thread asking for everyones opinion?? Yep that's what I thought too.
Lol whatever you say boss, did do research just didn't go as in depth as some guys are on here. Simple turbo setups put over 400 to the ground so I figured if you can put almost 5 to the ground with no block work and maybe 6k invested or so surely you can hit a little higher with more boost and a built bottom end. Moneys not really a problem to tell you the truth since I totaled my bike and don't really have much debt but I still want to draw a line because I don't lose money when I sell cars typically I break even or gain money. This one is gonna be my most expensive project so far so I'll just go until I hit maybe 15k and see where I'm at. Not a little fawker either trust me lol, and I can take a few disses but do you think it would be easier to look through hundreds of pages of builds or start a simple thread asking for everyones opinion?? Yep that's what I thought too.
No one will help you with a mentality like that.
Wake up from your dream
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So it's cool to bash me but I gotta keep bite my tongue? No sir, it's the select few people that can make someone regret even joining a forum. Posting bogus videos like the cartoon video dude posted a couple days ago. Was a member on 350zforums for awhile and I believe injected performance bought the rights to it which is why I joined this forum. Once again the guys that are giving helpful info, I greatly appreciate it and it'll help me do this build once instead of over and over. The guys that are bashing my thread are being of no help and would be greatly appreciated if you could just not provide your .10$ if it's going to be of no help
you just quoted the dude who posted the cartoon video, and if 200 people stood in line and all asked you the same question wouldnt you be pissed and a jackass about it too? thats essentially whats happening with those that are bashing you, they are the ones with the most experience on this forum in regards to boosting the vq. Essentially what you are telling them because you refuse to search something that has been posted over and over and over again is that your time is more valuable then there time. sorry dude but anyone would get pissed at that.
So it's cool to bash me but I gotta keep bite my tongue? No sir, it's the select few people that can make someone regret even joining a forum. Posting bogus videos like the cartoon video dude posted a couple days ago. Was a member on 350zforums for awhile and I believe injected performance bought the rights to it which is why I joined this forum. Once again the guys that are giving helpful info, I greatly appreciate it and it'll help me do this build once instead of over and over. The guys that are bashing my thread are being of no help and would be greatly appreciated if you could just not provide your .10$ if it's going to be of no help
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you just quoted the dude who posted the cartoon video, and if 200 people stood in line and all asked you the same question wouldnt you be pissed and a jackass about it too? thats essentially whats happening with that are bashing you they are the ones with the most experience on this forum in regards to boosting the vq. Essentially what you are telling them because you refuse to search something that has been posted over and over and over again is that your time is more valuable then there time. sorry dude but anyone would get pissed at that.
LOL, the cartoon that was posted is actually pretty informative. It describes people just like you with high hopes and dreams without doing any research. And yeah have fun with 500 on the block for a few pulls until the rods break.
And to come out even on your car after you turbo charge it? Don't plan on it. If that is your plan, don't even try it. And it is easier to look through the threads. It's called search and everything you could possibly want is there. That's how a lot of us did it.
If money is no issue, then why the hell did you put a budget on it? Ohh, to come out even when you resell it? Well, thats out the window now. So, unlimited budget. Now can you get 600wheel? Sure. But, do some research before you start. The people are are shitting on you are the ones that actually have the most knowledge when it comes to these things, jsyk.
And to come out even on your car after you turbo charge it? Don't plan on it. If that is your plan, don't even try it. And it is easier to look through the threads. It's called search and everything you could possibly want is there. That's how a lot of us did it.
If money is no issue, then why the hell did you put a budget on it? Ohh, to come out even when you resell it? Well, thats out the window now. So, unlimited budget. Now can you get 600wheel? Sure. But, do some research before you start. The people are are shitting on you are the ones that actually have the most knowledge when it comes to these things, jsyk.
you have alot less then me the summit brand line is alot cheaper then that website but i have dual 8 an lines going up and ALOT more fittings because of the fuel swirl pot and dual external pumps. BUT the upside is there should never be a need to upgrade the fuel system outside of the injectors even on e85 i suspect.
I bought my twins from a friend, did some of the work myself, had a few BIG hook ups. If you include supporting mods like exhaust and test pipes (both of which i bought used off the forums),guages, injectors, gt maf, return fuel system, colder plugs, etc... I've spent atleast 7k or more and thats not including non turbo related mods. i wont say its not possible but if it is I dont know how.
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Yup pricing versas now. Actually thinking about the quest and maybe doing the soccer mom thing for awhile. This is my 2nd z and 4th Nissan so why would I trade it? Itll take more than a few computer nerds to make me trade my car. Granted it will be for sale after I get it painted, turbo'd and slammed on full d2 coilovers then maybe I'll play with evos for a bit
Power is no joke, and this platform is a total b*tch. In order to do stuff on the cheap you gotta read like a ****, go to local shops and learn like a ****, and then spend forever putting sh*t together. I started reading about this platform and turbocharging it back in 2004. That's back when the sleeve kits were still being used from AEBS and sh*t. Back when the best ecu's out there for these cars were Utec or Fcon.
Look you either gotta get hooked up fatty style or work your *** off. 15k Maybe, 10k No way brother.
i still love my burn though...
"eat that 10k in pennies and tub girl yourself..."
Because if you push your 10k build to 700hp, you are gonna feel worse than if you just tub girled yourself with copper (well copper coated zinc).
Last edited by Resmarted; Dec 11, 2011 at 12:15 AM.