Making power, No smoke in the exhaust, but coolant issues
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Making power, No smoke in the exhaust, but coolant issues
Recently swapped springs out in my wastegates since the 8 psi ones were not holding, after that we have been having cooling issues. keeps pushing coolant out like it has air pockets. We pressurized the cooling system and scoped the cylinders, theres no leaks out of the headgaskets. the old radiator blew up around the seams and was leaking (replaced that now have a koyo one peice aluminum one). repressurized the cooling system after the new radiator was in and it held pressure fine. but still having the issues when driving. any thoughts on what this could be? its not down on power and theres no coolant in the oil. my only thought is maybe the seal on the turbo has let go already? garret 2871 water cooled unit
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wheres it pushing it out? the radiator? overflow? i would imagine if it was the turbo seal it would leak down the same as if anything else was leaking. im thinking this is a dumb question considering who i am asking but did you use one of the coolant bleeder funnels when you filled it?
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wheres it pushing it out? the radiator? overflow? i would imagine if it was the turbo seal it would leak down the same as if anything else was leaking. im thinking this is a dumb question considering who i am asking but did you use one of the coolant bleeder funnels when you filled it?
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both rad hoses hot? if its holding pressure, not burning anything, nothing in the oil, and properly bled the only other thing i can think of is a stuck closed thermostat or some other obstruction in the lines somewhere. it might suck but mayby flush the coolant system to be sure its flowing properly, much sure the water pump isnt shot(ive had instances where it wasnt leaking but it dint work because the impeller busted loose from the shaft, happened on my 93 cavalier matter of fact.) and also check the thermostat in some boiling water on the stove to make sure its opening.
or if you really think its the turbo mayby pull that apart see if you can find coolant some place it shouldnt be.
actually thinking about it more if there was an obstruction or stuck thermostat it wouldnt go back down the funnel when you bled it................... im actually a bit stumped i would think there would be a leak somewhere. no high temps showing on the guage?
or if you really think its the turbo mayby pull that apart see if you can find coolant some place it shouldnt be.
actually thinking about it more if there was an obstruction or stuck thermostat it wouldnt go back down the funnel when you bled it................... im actually a bit stumped i would think there would be a leak somewhere. no high temps showing on the guage?
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its the stock overflow, and its raising like 4 inches : /. ive thought about the sleeve. it would loose compression if that was the case and make less power wouldnt it? thats what gets me is it hasnt lost any : / and its not overheating
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both rad hoses hot? if its holding pressure, not burning anything, nothing in the oil, and properly bled the only other thing i can think of is a stuck closed thermostat or some other obstruction in the lines somewhere. it might suck but mayby flush the coolant system to be sure its flowing properly, much sure the water pump isnt shot(ive had instances where it wasnt leaking but it dint work because the impeller busted loose from the shaft, happened on my 93 cavalier matter of fact.) and also check the thermostat in some boiling water on the stove to make sure its opening.
or if you really think its the turbo mayby pull that apart see if you can find coolant some place it shouldnt be.
actually thinking about it more if there was an obstruction or stuck thermostat it wouldnt go back down the funnel when you bled it................... im actually a bit stumped i would think there would be a leak somewhere. no high temps showing on the guage?
or if you really think its the turbo mayby pull that apart see if you can find coolant some place it shouldnt be.
actually thinking about it more if there was an obstruction or stuck thermostat it wouldnt go back down the funnel when you bled it................... im actually a bit stumped i would think there would be a leak somewhere. no high temps showing on the guage?
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I had an issue like this and it was a faulty Cometic headgasket. It would keep pushing coolant into the reservoir at higher boost and the coolant would never get sucked back down. This was on a brand new engine too, had to tear it apart and put a HKS headgasket in it and it was fine
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I had an issue like this and it was a faulty Cometic headgasket. It would keep pushing coolant into the reservoir at higher boost and the coolant would never get sucked back down. This was on a brand new engine too, had to tear it apart and put a HKS headgasket in it and it was fine
And it did it driving home from my shop last night when it never got out of vaccum is the thing. -42hg as as much as it saw and the temp gauge started cycling up and down as the buble circulated through the cooling system
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but wouldnt it smoke and have a loss of power if that was the case? and also there would be oil in the coolant or vice versa?
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that sounds like it could be the culprit. but even then wouldnt there still be oil in the coolant or vice versa? i dont see how it could leak out and have no mix in either of them. it is a new motor has 1700 miles now. i was there when he assembled it they were put on correctly and torqued down properly. darton west did the sleeving, so if thats the case and it did drop i'm SoL xD
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Would do a pull and get coolant hot (hp = heat) and would push some fluid into overflow...then I'd make another pull before it had enough time to cool fluids and it would push more fluid into overflow except this time it fills bottle so starts dumping fluid out overflow bottle.....now the fluid level has gone down some....that happens a couple times (yea i know I know)....so now when its pushed a significant volume of coolant into/out of the overflow it is drawing air back into radiator, and we know how well air does in the cooling system.
ITs a double whammy, too small a cooling system with too weak a radiator cap spring, starts a viscious cycle. And remember, for me, 93 octane power is about 750bhp...thats a lot for 9quarts of fluid and a 11psi cap spring to cope with lol. Should have done radiator long ago, but just kept forgetting about it.
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ITs a double whammy, too small a cooling system with too weak a radiator cap spring, starts a viscious cycle. And remember, for me, 93 octane power is about 750bhp...thats a lot for 9quarts of fluid and a 11psi cap spring to cope with lol. Should have done radiator long ago, but just kept forgetting about it.
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because it doesnt do it the first pull, usually the second or third after the overflow is already full.
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would your 28psi test be adequate:
1. Cylinder pressures are nearly 7-8 times that pressure
2. Will the cylinders be pressurized if the thermostat is closed and the pressure is being induced at the radiator cap?
1. Cylinder pressures are nearly 7-8 times that pressure
2. Will the cylinders be pressurized if the thermostat is closed and the pressure is being induced at the radiator cap?
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I would definitely try a large overflow container and when cool just have it barely filled with any coolant in it. Get the funnel bleeder thing and bleed it with that - just revving under high vacuum. With the car hot it should only go so high in the overflow tank. With no boost in the motor there is still high cylinder pressure on spark ignition and burn so it can be hard to diagnose. You sure you are not just overheating due to fans not kicking on, t-stat not working etc?
Coolant pressure should hold steady state to whatever is listed on the radiator cap.
Coolant pressure should hold steady state to whatever is listed on the radiator cap.
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I would definitely try a large overflow container and when cool just have it barely filled with any coolant in it. Get the funnel bleeder thing and bleed it with that - just revving under high vacuum. With the car hot it should only go so high in the overflow tank. With no boost in the motor there is still high cylinder pressure on spark ignition and burn so it can be hard to diagnose. You sure you are not just overheating due to fans not kicking on, t-stat not working etc?
Coolant pressure should hold steady state to whatever is listed on the radiator cap.
Coolant pressure should hold steady state to whatever is listed on the radiator cap.