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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 09:57 AM
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My understanding is that the power gain with boost by raising compression is nominal. What is the justification for building a motor that runs closer to the detonation threshold for a given fuel? Is a few percentage points on peak horsepower gain worth the risk of running near the detonation threshold and lack of flexibility to run a lower octane fuel?

I don't have a specific reference, but some images from texts have been posted on the net:

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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelonginprison
Ok... another newb question (and I realize this is all likely hypothetical)

Let's assume you do a mild bottom end build for a blower (in my case, ProCharger rather than Vortech, 9psi) Bearings, forged rods/pistons, L19 studs etc. w/ stock heads/valve train.
BUT: you didn't have access to E85 every time (like if you were traveling)

Could you do 11:1, and still run one map for 93 that would be safe and another more aggressive map for E85? Or would you be setting yourself in a position to where you would have to run E85 / meth mixture only?

Oh - and second on the needing new rods/pistons. The rods especially are a weak point on the VQ for higher tq.
technically...yes...but you put the engine at more of a risk and i would not recommend it for that kind of setup...e85 is enough to run 11:1 you wouldnt need meth. Now if you want to switch your map to a 93 octane map i would suggest running meth as well but relying on a meth kit for your engine to survive is like trusting a 10 year old near a fire, its not typically something you want to do.

in your case i would run 10.1 or stock compression and do 93 which would be safer on pump gas then switch to an e85 map just for fun
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 04:28 PM
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the biggest unknown is not so much power, but off boost response. you dont need much change in power to have a nice gain in the vacuum side of pedal response.


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My understanding is that the power gain with boost by raising compression is nominal. What is the justification for building a motor that runs closer to the detonation threshold for a given fuel? Is a few percentage points on peak horsepower gain worth the risk of running near the detonation threshold and lack of flexibility to run a lower octane fuel?
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
My understanding is that the power gain with boost by raising compression is nominal. What is the justification for building a motor that runs closer to the detonation threshold for a given fuel? Is a few percentage points on peak horsepower gain worth the risk of running near the detonation threshold and lack of flexibility to run a lower octane fuel?

I don't have a specific reference, but some images from texts have been posted on the net:

from what ive seen, particularly with vortech, on superchargers compression can do alot. I googled one thread where the guy had 8.8 comp. pistons full build bla bla bla running 485 rwp i think t - trim IIRC. While there is a thread not to far down from this one where the guy is running i think 550 rwhp? i asked him what compression he was running and he responded with 9.5 this being with the s - trim, again IIRC.

Compression is subjective to the application, raising compression NA with these engines you networth maybe 20 rwhp on average at the most? vs a turbo or sc application where compression creates a huge difference.


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the biggest unknown is not so much power, but off boost response. you dont need much change in power to have a nice gain in the vacuum side of pedal response.
+ this
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