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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 08:32 PM
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Thumbs up NEW!!! SOHO Motorsports Single Turbo Kit!

***NOTE: This is not a sale thread, but rather a tech thread for our new single turbo kit. This thread is meant to inform about a new product.***


SOHO Motorsports Single Turbo Kit
2003-2006 Nissan 350Z and Infiniti G35, VQ35DE Engine

Available for Purchase Late Summer 2012
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SOHO Motorsports Single Turbo Kit: The Design
With Momentum Performance having to close its doors earlier this year, the industry was left with a vacancy for a single turbo kit for the 350Z/ G35 community. After competing in numerous track days from regional NASA events all the way up to Global Time Attack events with the Momentum Performance turbo kit on our SOHO Motorsports G35. Over more than a 16 month period of unebelievably hard abuse on the car, we were able to discover a few items that needed to be changed in order to help increase the efficiency and performance of this kit. With all of the knowledge we posess of motorsports, the owner of SOHO and head tuner is Nik Sohoritis. With his former NASCAR engineer expertice and knowledge of mechanical engineering, Nik has calculated everything for this turbo kit to ensure that it will be one of the most efficient turbo kits in the market. From the flow of the air via new routing of pipes to the efficiency of the intercooler. Throughout this article we will be discussing the basics of the turbo kit from the choice of turbo, intercooler and cold side piping and the reasons we are doing what we are doing with calculations that describe to you why we have chosen these items.



The Turbo:
Before we begin I must note that our kit is in no way based off of or uses anything similar to the Momentum turbo kit, but for sake of reasoning we will be using that to compare to ours in this article because of its popularity as one of the best single turbo kits for the Z and G platform. The Momentum Performance turbo kit utilized the Garret GT3582R turbo with a 1.03 A/R custom Tial turbine housing. This created a very linear power curve from 3500 to 6800 rpm on any VQ35 motor with a compressor efficiency ranging from 74 to 75 percent at a boost level of 9 psi throughout the power curve. When comparing the GT3582R and the all new GTX3582R, which we will be using for SOHO kit, the inducer is 0.05 inches larger in diameter and the exducer is .02 inches larger in diameter for the GTX3582R. This results in a slight increase in airflow and a larger trim. In the single turbo kit that we are designing and building, we have chosen the all new Garret GTX3582R turbo with a Tial 1.06 A/R turbine housing that will have an increase in compressor efficiency throughout the power band by at least one to two percent. With this increase in efficiency the compressor is pumping air to a point where the air is not getting heated more than it should be, based on the pressure ratio, thus resulting in cooler and denser air into the intake system and in turn yielding more power. The Tial turbine housing that we have chosen incorporates a slightly higher A/R ratio that will bring a smoother transition into boost and will allow for more exhaust gases to flow in the higher rpm range with less restriction.



The Intercooler:
In the design process of an intercooler there are two essential characteristics to consider in creating an efficient inercooler as possible; internal flow area and frontal core area. The internal flow area of an intercooler core can be determined by multiplying the core length, core height, and the number of cooling air channels in the core. Both of the intercoolers, for our turbo kit and the Momentum Performance turbo kit are using the plate and shell style intercooler core. A rule of thumb to always follow is that when the internal flow area of an intercooler core is large, the pressure loss through the core will be small. The difference with the intercooler that we have chosen for the SOHO Motorsports single turbo kit is that we have increased the overall height and thickness of the core and decreased the length. After a few calculations we were able to determine the intercooler core that we were going to use for our turbo kit when compared to the Momentum intercooler had almost an eighteen percent drop in overall pressure loss. Once we had determined the core size for the intercooler we shifted our attention over to the end tank design, where we found that the two inch end tanks on the Momentum intercooler were not going to be sufficient enough in creating a system that minimized pressure loss. We increased our end tanks by almost a full inch on both sides and decreased the angles for the inlets to allow for the air to travel in a more uniform and less turbulent manner.



The Piping:
Many hours were spent in determining the best way to route the cold side piping for our turbo kit, and once we determined the routing we were able to see a huge benefit compared to the current setups on the market today. The current single turbo kit takes the charge air coming out of the turbo and goes thru the intercooler, up along the topside of the radiator and then into the intake manifold. There is a problem that occurs when routing the cold side piping this way, in that you are heating all of the air going into your throttle body after you have cooled in the intercooler, since the intake pipe is sitting on top of the radiator in stagnant heat within the confines of the engine bay. We have completely avoided this path and have decided to take the charge air coming from the turbo and route the piping in between the radiator and sway bar on the bottom side of the vehicle, to where it would come into the intercooler from the passenger side and out the driver’s side and straight into the intake manifold. With the charge pipe being run close to the bottom of the vehicle, the air that travels underneath the vehicle and under this pipe will help in slightly reducing heat soak of the air before it travels into the intercooler, thus creating a somewhat pre-intercooler cooling system. Along with the re routing of the traditional single kit to the bottom we also have increased the overall diameter for the cold side which has been calculated to withstand airflow for up to 800 horsepower (1200 cfm) before there would be any pressure loss in the pipe from the air traveling at speeds higher than Mach 0.4 (400 ft/s).

Stay tuned as we discuss the routing of the exhaust side of the piping and determine which type of waste gate and blowoff valve we are going to use (diaphragm based or pneumatic piston based). Plus we will be updating with all dyno and track results.

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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 09:56 AM
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okay... so wheres the picture of the kit? all i see is a turbo and a mocked up intercooler.
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got it.... just saw the release date
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 10:40 AM
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this isn't for the hr right? Don't include 2007 350z, just 2003-2006, got me excited lol
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this isn't for the hr right? Don't include 2007 350z, just 2003-2006, got me excited lol
Nope not for the HR motors, that will be after this kit... don't worry we plan on doing a whole line for these platforms. Sorry for the typo, fixed now.
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Originally Posted by gearheinz
got it.... just saw the release date
We should be doing a group buy on this forum within the next few weeks or so. And we will be "debuting" the turbo kits on our race car and street car at this years Z Nationals.
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is there an estimate on single hr turbo? Year?
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Originally Posted by stevehl
is there an estimate on single hr turbo? Year?
Call S&R Performance, they have a single turbo kit for the HR motor.
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The more the merrier. Looking forward to some results!
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looking forward to updates
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Originally Posted by VQpwr03z
Call S&R Performance, they have a single turbo kit for the HR motor.
with a very lazy power band
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is there an estimate on single hr turbo? Year?
We are planning on designing a single turbo kit for the HR sometime in the first half of next year...
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 09:37 AM
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what about the best single turbo kit that doesn't route the piping to the throttle body in front of the engine at all thus removing about 3 feet of piping as well as keeping the piping away from the front of the engine?

Just run it up on one side and keep it on that side without crossing over to the other side of the car at all. Problem solved.

I'm curious to see the numbers though. Is 1.03 to 1.06 even a measurable difference in housing size? I think the intercooler chosen will be the most significant change aiding this kit. nice and big

edit: after reading this i need to say although the directness of my questions may seem harsh they aren't meant in disrespect.

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Originally Posted by binder
what about the best single turbo kit that doesn't route the piping to the throttle body in front of the engine at all thus removing about 3 feet of piping as well as keeping the piping away from the front of the engine?

Just run it up on one side and keep it on that side without crossing over to the other side of the car at all. Problem solved.

I'm curious to see the numbers though. Is 1.03 to 1.06 even a measurable difference in housing size? I think the intercooler chosen will be the most significant change aiding this kit. nice and big

edit: after reading this i need to say although the directness of my questions may seem harsh they aren't meant in disrespect.
It is very difficult to run the piping to where it is not at all towards the front of the engine or to run the piping all on one side because of the space limitations that are on these vehicles. We juggled the idea around of running everything on one side but there is not enough room to route everything without some serious modifications to the front end. We are trying to keep this kit where the end user will be able to install the kit and retain a lot of the factory items such as the stock coolant overflow jug. The difference in housing size is small but will help out in the higher rpms because with the 1.03 housing that was used on the previous turbo kits once you were running in the higher boost levels, the turbine inlet pressure from the exhaust gases started to increase with respect to the intake manifold pressure. The ratio between the turbine inlet pressure with respect to intake manifold pressure should be around 2, when the ratio is larger than the turbo is to small. The A/R number is a ratio where the majority of the time the R remains the same and the area is the number that changes, even though it may seem like a small change, we believe that it will help with trying to keep the ratio between the intake manifold pressure and the turbine inlet pressure a lot closer. Do not worry i do not think that your questions were disrespectful, you have asked some very good questions and i hope that i have answered them for you.
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"It is very difficult to run the piping to where it is not at all towards the front of the engine or to run the piping all on one side because of the space limitations that are on these vehicles"

Though clearly more expensive to develop , if you where to craft a new plenum with the TB mirrored upon the passenger side , then the cold side pipe would directly route up to the TB on the passenger side and avoid the soak induced by the down pipe on the driver side . Basicaly like an HR plenum with the driver side TB removed and blocked.

I've been running the MTM setup for several months and It appears that most of the inlet heat soak comes from the hot side DP and exhaust housing.
My P and Tial housings are ceramic coated , which helps allot , but it could be better
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Thanks for your answers!

I do believe the routing on the boosted performance kit does not alter anything on the car and runs the cold side on the same side of the car. No new fluid tanks, no crossing over the engine, 2 foot less piping.

I went that route because I don't like the piping being longer or in front of the engine. i hated that from day one about my vortech and decided against kits like that when i switched to turbo.

The exhaust turbine housing is too small for our engines as you noted. What needs to happen is a t4 housing used. Not sure why garrett doesn't make a t4 housing for those turbos since there is a demand for them. That would make the best backpressure reduction since we see that with the t4 precision turbos.
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Originally Posted by SOHOMotorsports
Nope not for the HR motors, that will be after this kit... don't worry we plan on doing a whole line for these platforms. Sorry for the typo, fixed now.


This is all the HR folks hear...
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I knew it wouldn't be long before someone from the Boosted Performance camp would troll this thread with their 2 cents and a BP name drop.
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Looks cool! Interested in more pictures of the piping and installation, etc.
Best of luck!

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I knew it wouldn't be long before someone from the... YouMadBro.jpg ...would troll this thread with their 2 cents and a name drop.
You just dropped the name in question twice as many times as had been in the entire thread up to that point.
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
I knew it wouldn't be long before someone from the Boosted Performance camp would troll this thread with their 2 cents and a BP name drop.
how's that PL kit working for you? oh wait, is it even done yet?
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