perfect example here too. if you dont expect problems then you shouldnt be modding a car period. eventually they all go, letting go in under 1k miles is a **** builder or tuner though

 

jerryd87, I am running the fluidamper, yes. So by the sounds of it I should have just gone a put 30k++ on black or red at the casino, since basically now I am left with a POS KIT and POS build. One thing I do know is that despite the "good service" BP has provided he is now saying "I told you so" when it comes to the builder I chose to go with which is R/T, saying " I told you to go to Dynosty and you went to R/T, so I didnt listen to him so its my fault this happened?

I have asked him numerous times to put me in contact with those that are running this kit in the same application, road race/lapping, to date he is only now stating ONE individual and I have yet to hear of any others.

Aside from the build issues, THIS KIT IS NOT FOR THOSE THAT DO ROAD COURSE OR LAPPING. PERIOD. DO NOT PURCHASE THIS BP KIT UNLESS YOU ARE A STREET FIGHTER OR DRAG JUNKIE.

If BP wants to offer proof of its performance in road course/lapping application like he first told me when i bought the kit then I am all ears, but no info to date ad I am sure none will come forward. Ifthey do great, I would love to know what they have done different.

I hope that it is not serious and also hope that with almost 25k in their pockets that R/T works this out for me, only time will tell I guess. i am not about to take it to a new builder now and drop another 10k++ when this should have never even happened in the first place, let me correct myself, should have never happend so soon, 2 "built" motors crap out, first one after 6-700kms and the lateast one after about 2500km hard driving(4000km total). this is just ridiculous and accountability is key here, we will see what happens. Vince gets back next week and I will know if they are going to stick it to me or make it right..Since Vince is a stand up guy, I think it will work out ok, but who knows. Sasha is a stand up guy and he is standing on "I told you so". Real nice.

So then why when I told you I was going to R/T did you not say anything?? And now you say "I told you so" ???? If MI35th does road racing/lapping days then I would love to hear from him, privately or here. I think you are mistaking time attack( which is great but **** compared to road racing on a 2-4km track) for the application I told you I was buying the kit for. But whatever, you seem to have hung it up with the "I told you so" comment, that to me is a direct slap in the face to Vince and R/T. Here is hoping Vince makes this right and shows that he is in the top list of builders...here's hoping.

exactly jerry, now the first build we can chalk up as builder error for using the wrong head studs, why I had to pay for that error in any capacity, even if it was less than full cost, is beyond me, but I dealt with it and was told this latest build would be "bulletproof"...not in the sense that one day down the road something may or may not let go, but in the sense that I would at the very least get a few seasons out of it before I needed to open it up again and make some repairs. That is not the case, literally there is 4000km total on the new motor, whether it had something to do with the fact that the kit is a POS and was dumping oil into the motor that caused a mech failure or whether it was a part failure internally due to part quality control, or if it was a bad build or a combination of all the f u c k i n g above, what I am left with is the fabicator saying "I told you so" about the builder and a car that needs to be taken apart again for the fourth time in less than a year.

I will keep posting on what R/T is prepared to do for me if anything and hopefully we can get this, up until now, POS BP kit to work with my intended application.

Still waiting for the contact details for all those people pushing this kit harder than me Sasha....I wont hold my breath though.

 

Shadi,

You asked me who you should go to for an engine build...I said Dynosty since I have direct experience dealing with them on that end. I NEVER said do not go to shop X or shop Y. This is not how I go about things...and this is your quote to support the above:

You had asked for advice, I provided it. It is as simple as that. I am not going to tell my customer not to go to shop X or shop Y...that is up to the customer to decide.

I also deal (and will continue to) with R/T on the UpRev side and tuning, but do not have any experience with them as far as engine builds go. This is why I had told you (since you asked me about tuners in your area) to take it down to Vince when you installed the kit on the stock block. I did not say "do not take it to shop X or Y"... I suggested R/T (since you asked for tuner advice) because of MY experience with them on that end.

There is a HUGE difference between you asking me for advice on where to go to get things done, and me suggesting a shop, vs. me simply saying "I told you so".

 

Please quote the words "I told you so" in BP's statement. I do not see them.
I also didn't know that BP was now in the business of selling bearings, pistons, rods, etc and accepted responsibility for their use and installation. Either point at a piece of hardware on the kit you purchased that either failed or can conclusively be attributed to the direct failure of another part; or, point that finger up your a$$.

 

don's motor needed to be refreshed after Zdayz. But it didnt fail.

Its not the kits fault and saying not to buy it if you road race is stupid. Its a bunch of pipe and a turbo. The kit didnt fail, the motor did. That is on the builder or the tuner. Sasha should not even be involved in this mess. He made a recommendation as to who to use.

You dont even know what happened to your motor yet.. Whoever you choose to do the rebuild should be in charge of determining the cause of failure in the last one.

Do you know your clearances? Does your previous builder? Were they set with road racing in mind? Have you religiously been sending oil into blackstone for analysis?

Its easy to point fingers but if you have not done your due diligence, no one is going to help you.

good luck, seriously. if RT did the build and the tune, then you should have nothing to worry about.

 

And I quote "(I told you to got to Dynosty, you didn't listen and went elsewhere, it blew)" This is clearly saying "I told you so"

If you see it differently I am happy for you, my perception is what matters with what you say to me, and what I take from that is "I told you so".

Quote is above for you DaveJackson, Lets get to the bottom of the whole thing then right, the only reason that all of these domino's have fallen is due to the kit. period, The turbo failed after not even having 3000kms on it, confirmed thrust bearing destruction, that was sold to me by BP. That failure caused the scavenge pump to fail, also another part sold in the BP kit, what will most likely be determined is that due to the failure of the BP kit 6266turbo, then the scavenge pump failure due to the turbo failure( both sold in the BP kit) that this in turn somehow created a mechanical issue in the motor and somehow caused it to fail, I am pretty sure there will be finger pointing as that has been par for the course, Sasha pointing at R/T, ...and R/T openly and honestly saying the kit( mainly the PTE turbo is S H I T).

I am not pointing the finger at BP, just stating the facts as they are, the kit is **** for the intended application that I was wanting to use it for . period. Unless shown otherwise that is a true and fact statement. Also to be considered is the build, that is on R/T and we will see what happens there.

So do yourself a favor, dont start talking **** when you dont have the facts. One part in the kit fails that causes another part in the kit to fail, which most likely is somehow the cause of the epic fail that i am left with after buying this kit in the first place. So you ask for it there it is. now sit the **** down.

Due dilegence?? Thanks, I have oil analysis done on the second build, road racing was always the goal and both BP and R/T know this full well. Vince at R/T knows the clearances and has said time and time again that there is no issue there and I have discussed that at length with another member on the forum.

R/T did the build and the tune, both on the first build and the second build. Where do you suggest I point the finger?? There are only two people involved BP and R/T. BP kit fails on all fronts with my experience anyway( no bashing intended just the FACTS) and now the second motor failure...so I guess I should point the finger up my own *** like DaveJackasson said??

Common give me a break, anyways like I said, constructive advice from experienced peeps is what I am looking for and I thank those that have contributed thus far, still NO BP USERS THAT WANT TO CHIME IN WITH HOW THEY PUSH THEIR KIT??? AND ANOTHER QUOTE FROM BP " I tell you that I DO have customers with this kit, that are much harder on it than you. (you question it)" HOGWASH...WHERE ARE THEY THEN AND WHY NOT PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH THEM SO I CAN SEE WHAT I MUST BE DOING WRONG

if your defending one or the other i have no time for you or your comments, this is not personal, its business, when the **** you sell fails, whether it is a service or a part you either back it up or you are worthless in any community or platform.

 

Lets' also pull another quote / instruction from BP,

" route a hose off a tee from the passenger side valve cover breather to the intake pipe before the turbo, the other end of tee to your catch can, this will solve the smoking issue you are having out the tail pipe"

At first tell I said "ok I will try that" then after wanting a second opinion,( because that sounded like complete BS to me) I asked my tuner, he said " I have no idea why Sasha would tell you that, it makes no sense at all and will absolutely not solve the issue you are having)

This issue was that even though a new turbo was installed ( since the first POS **** the bed after a few kms) the car was still smoking at the track, so only under high constant pressure, which the tuner and builder attribute to the turbo not being able to handle the constant oil pressure in a track setting ad it getting past the rings/seals. I have talked to precision at length( Dennis) and he is just as stumped. There is a plan set out and he has said that a restrictor may be needed, but first I know have to deal with this 2nd blown motor.

Sasha, I do not contest you are a great guy, a great fabricator( welder) but the parts you sold me failed. period. there is no denying it. Whether or not they contributed to the overall failure of the motor we will soon find out.

UNLESS SOMEONE COMES FORWARD OR I AM DIRECTED TO SOMEONE THAT TELLS ME THAT THEY ROAD RACE THIS KIT THEN IT STILL STANDS......

DO NOT BY A BP KIT IF YOU WISH TO USE YOUR CAR FOR LAPPING OR ROAD RACE APPLICATION

I will add that this is probably an ok kit to go with if you are a fast and furious weekend coffee shop hang out driver or drag you car, anything that has the kit see constant oil pressure 80+psi for 2 mins a lap, don't even bother, find something more suitable is what all indications point to.

 

You misunderstand three very important things.
1.) How a direct quote works in English.
2.) Libel as it pertains to the tort of defamation
3.) What the word "somehow" means when you repeatedly state "somehow caused it to fail".

 

Please enlighten me DaveJackson...

P.S. your in Canada Dave you should not state laws that do not hold water, that is like me saying I am going to sue BP cuz the kit failed on numerous fronts, ridiculous.

If you want to **** in a pond go find another one, if you have a BP kit and road race then I would love to chat with you, either way aside fro that, take a hike friend.

 

1. Turbo sold to me by BP FAILED- CONCLUSIVELY

2. Scavenge pump sold to me by BP FAILED- CONCLUSIVELY DUE TO THE TURBO FAILURE AS POINTED OUT BY SASHA IN THE PREVIOUS THREAD LINKED IN THE ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD.

So there you have two pieces of hardware from the BP kit that I have pointed out for you. I am sure you will still have **** to talk, but my point is made.

 

Please stop asking for advice from experienced peeps...since you're not listening to any of them anyway...

 

?? no one has come forward that road races a BP kit with a built motor so I am not sure WTF you are talking about.

Thanks for the input, but unless you have something to contribute that relates to what I am asking about then your comments are not required, but amusing none the less.

 

I do have something to contribute...you should change your title to "Who hates BP and R/T and wants to hate with me?" Maybe you'll get more people to respond in the way you want them to respond....

 

Not sure where you get the ridiculous statement you just made but I do not hate either R/T or BP. So get your **** straight.

We will see what R/T is prepared to do with this and as far as BP goes, not hate there at all, just stating facts, am I pissed off ... ABSOLUTELY .. poking the bear will not get you anywhere, do you have a BP kit that you road race?? Didn't think so, if your to stupid to read, then take it elsewhere. Your comment could not be farther from the truth so beat it.

 

Yessir...good luck with finding people to agree with your rant...Mr bear...

In the end, you really should have a gotten a vehicle that was factory built for FI...

 

Each response is more eloquent and well thought out than the last.
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I explained to you through email that you may have a crank case pressure issue, since you told me that the catch can you were using had a lot of oil in it, and had to be empteid often.

Then I called you and told you to do the following:

Take your passenger side valve cover vent and T it with your driver side valve cover vent. From there, run the last port from the T to your catch can. Remove the breather fitler from your catch can, and install a 1/2" hose barb, drill/tapp your air intake (before turbo) and install 1/2" hose barb, connect the catch can top port to the turbo intake. Monitor oil level closely in the catch can.

So once again, you don't understand what I had explained to you over the phone and the reason behind it....Here are some reasons for this (quick google search is faster than typing it all up):


....efficient ‘crankcase breathing’ is an equally important function of any engine. Even in a new engine, the combustion pressure will inevitably pass the piston rings into the crankcase. If an engine’s breathing system should become blocked or restricted, the crankcase will pressurise causing any one or more of the following problems:

1) The oil/air mix will force its way out through any other convenient exit e.g. oil seals, dip stick, filler cap, etc.

2) The efficiency of the oil control rings will be reduced creating increased oil consumption (AKA OIL BURNING/SMOKING).

3) Impurities such as water vapour and acids (by products of combustion) will build up and contaminate the oil causing sludging and increased engine wear.

4) The adverse affect on the air/fuel mixture will result in starting problems and rough idling conditions.

5) As a consequence of the weakened fuel charge, detonation or ‘pinking’ will ensue. To compensate, the ignition will need retarding resulting in further power loss

 

That is not what you said to do, possibly it is a miscommunication but you said the following

Route the line with the filter on it (oil vapor and oil that is coming out of the passenger valve cover) to the intake pipe before the turbo.. Nothing was misunderstood and when this was explained to others they quickly said that is the stupidest thing you could do, and that would not in any way solve any issues. It is you that misunderstood, I told you the catch can did not have a breather, that is why we put a tee in the line off the passenger side valve cover to accommodate a filter for the time being, you said to remove that filter and run the line to the intake pipe before the turbo. and that is a fact.

You did not in anyway shape or form explain it how you have said here, another reason that I will not listen to anything you have to say anymore. Piece Of **** kit, great email replies, thats about it.

Still no reply with a link to where to get the filter for the system though eh? and still no info on all these people that have your kit that are pushing it harder than I was eh?.. either back up the **** you say or do not say it at all.

 

WOW! That is all I can say.

 

Dam Canadians and your long hair and rock music and ridiculous claims about FI