Need constructive advice from experienced peeps
I will do my best to be clear again, I am not blaming Sasha for the motor failure, what the issue is, is the turbo not being able to handle the conditions of the race track, the second motor failure is on R/T to figure out just as is the issue of why the turbo seems to **** the bed at the track and push oil past the rings is on Sasha to work out since he is the one selling the product.
Saying that it is not possible is no solution and for someone with the apparent knowledge he has to not want to push to find d a resolve is tge issue and continue to be.
It will be worked out and determined what is the cause of all the issues.. Again thanks to those that have took the time to post relevant and helpful advice and answers.. Not much to say for the others trolling the thread.
Saying that it is not possible is no solution and for someone with the apparent knowledge he has to not want to push to find d a resolve is tge issue and continue to be.
It will be worked out and determined what is the cause of all the issues.. Again thanks to those that have took the time to post relevant and helpful advice and answers.. Not much to say for the others trolling the thread.
my bad i thought he had DBB, i need to start keeping records of everyone i talk to about stuff lately so dont get em mixed up rofl.
The turbo you linked is ball bearing, NOT journal bearing. The ball bearings do come with that extra piece, but not the journal bearing turbos.
The centre sections between the two are completely different.
Here is the JB centre section, the difference is clear:

The centre sections between the two are completely different.
Here is the JB centre section, the difference is clear:

No worries at all jerry, you have been more than helpful with all the back and forth we have had, I should have been clear.. I thought you were running the JB snail.. My bad as well.. This will get sorted if it kills me or other hahah .. Not many can laugh at a 30k loss so I will just pat myself on the back and stick with those that have been helpful and not too proud to offer resolutions and sound advice.
No worries at all jerry, you have been more than helpful with all the back and forth we have had, I should have been clear.. I thought you were running the JB snail.. My bad as well.. This will get sorted if it kills me or other hahah .. Not many can laugh at a 30k loss so I will just pat myself on the back and stick with those that have been helpful and not too proud to offer resolutions and sound advice.
I think ultimately everyone on here just wants to see healthy fast cars and good shops/parts survive. We all have gotten screwed by shops/dealers before; some of us worse than others. I'll be more than happy to help you as much as possible, and I'm sure others on here will too.
After the first turbo blew, I had called Dennis@PT and talked about the possibility of failure for about 40 minutes. He is the one that took it apart for inspection. He could not figure out why the turbo had blown, but suggested that we go to the larger -4an supply line and see how things go from there. This was after an extensive review of the entire oiling system, and the fact that these engines have low oil pressure at idle. As a result, I overnighted you a new line, all new fittings with instructions at no cost.
So once again, you are posting misleading information.
All I can do is what the manufacturer recommends, and nobody else since they should know their product best. The turbo is not my product, but a product that comes with my kit. Same goes for all the other components. Remember, every build is different, even if it is the same on paper.
If the piping is cracking, not fitting and the kit is not making power, then it is a kit problem. You did make 604whp on 14psi of boost (pump gas), so the kit is performing, and performing very well under all conditions. Vince could not believe the power made at such low boost.
As I have always done, I will continue to work to resolve potential issues of any second party component in MY kit, by talking to the manufacturers who's components I use. I go to much greater lengths to resolve any issue than any other manufacturer of any forced induction kit for this platform. This is why you will never find any negative reviews on my kit, and I am sure you have tried hard to find at least one. You however need to step back, check the language, name calling and attitude at the door (it is a lot worse in the emails/texts you send me than it is on here), and be civil for a change.
DaveJackson, you are just a ****ing idiot, one sided story? there is no other side you ****ing dolt, I take car of my cars like they are children, checking levels before EVERY start up, always bring motors to temp before the pedal is even touched, always keeping a close watch on afr's and boost levels.
You are implying that there is another side to the story, and that I am not telling it how it is, well **** you Dave, I know what is what and really that is all that matters, Good thing is there are a couple people amongst the keyboard jackasses like yourself with soild information here that will allow me to hopefully get to the bottom of this 2nd failure,...so Dave my Canadian brother, if your have something to say to me come say it to my face, or better yet let me know where you are at and we can work it out, Maybe since you are the ****ing know it all, you can put your dipstick into the motor and magically tell me what happen and who is at fault... ****ing jackass
"It is not the same thing here you dolt, I am not finding something to complain about, how would you feel if you were 30k in and all this **** was happening?
Most likely you are just Sasha's fluffer but with the slight chance that you are not, I will give you the chance to look at it from another point of view as mentioned above.
If you want to continue to attempt to make it sound like I am not telling the facts as they are, then I ask that you tell me where you are at i our great nation so we can meet and stop typing it out and talk in out in person, I am sure you just want to continue to hide behind your keyboard but my offer is out there for you if you choose to stop typing and start talking.
There are a million turkey's like you in forums that slam people with legitimate claims that are looking for resolve... so you gnat to man up and step out from your little safety bubble behind your cpu, great , I look forward to meeting you in person and we can iron thing s out then, I travel all over Canada with my business and have no issue making a stop in your friendly neighborhood to get things clear for you.
If you are game then great, hopefully after we speak face to face you will lose your douchebag attitude and make some constructive answers to some questions I have for the all mighty Dave.
look forward to your reply"
You are being a swearing, abusive child and I don't have to tolerate it. Now you're making poorly veiled threats? I'm not going to invite you to my house "face to face" so you can do whatever brilliant scheme you have cooked up to get back at me for pointing out your pathetic arguments on a car forum.
There are rules, here and you are not following them. I find your thread HILARIOUS and there is not much you can do about that. Grow the eff up and realize that sometimes, life isn't fair.
Then, he leaves this steaming nugget as a PM,
You are being a swearing, abusive child and I don't have to tolerate it. Now you're making poorly veiled threats? I'm not going to invite you to my house "face to face" so you can do whatever brilliant scheme you have cooked up to get back at me for pointing out your pathetic arguments on a car forum.
There are rules, here and you are not following them. I find your thread HILARIOUS and there is not much you can do about that. Grow the eff up and realize that sometimes, life isn't fair.
You are being a swearing, abusive child and I don't have to tolerate it. Now you're making poorly veiled threats? I'm not going to invite you to my house "face to face" so you can do whatever brilliant scheme you have cooked up to get back at me for pointing out your pathetic arguments on a car forum.
There are rules, here and you are not following them. I find your thread HILARIOUS and there is not much you can do about that. Grow the eff up and realize that sometimes, life isn't fair.
If you find my thread and issue with my build hilarious, then that just makes you a douchebag and you are right, there is nothing I can do to change the fact that you are a douche, that is why your comments and posts are not taken for anything but fluffer words, so since you have nothing constructive or informative to contribute, just crawl back under your keyboard and **** off ya.... nuff said.
Hmm interesting.
After the first turbo blew, I had called Dennis@PT and talked about the possibility of failure for about 40 minutes. He is the one that took it apart for inspection. He could not figure out why the turbo had blown, but suggested that we go to the larger -4an supply line and see how things go from there. This was after an extensive review of the entire oiling system, and the fact that these engines have low oil pressure at idle. As a result, I overnighted you a new line, all new fittings with instructions at no cost.
So once again, you are posting misleading information.
All I can do is what the manufacturer recommends, and nobody else since they should know their product best. The turbo is not my product, but a product that comes with my kit. Same goes for all the other components. Remember, every build is different, even if it is the same on paper.
If the piping is cracking, not fitting and the kit is not making power, then it is a kit problem. You did make 604whp on 14psi of boost (pump gas), so the kit is performing, and performing very well under all conditions. Vince could not believe the power made at such low boost.
As I have always done, I will continue to work to resolve potential issues of any second party component in MY kit, by talking to the manufacturers who's components I use. I go to much greater lengths to resolve any issue than any other manufacturer of any forced induction kit for this platform. This is why you will never find any negative reviews on my kit, and I am sure you have tried hard to find at least one. You however need to step back, check the language, name calling and attitude at the door (it is a lot worse in the emails/texts you send me than it is on here), and be civil for a change.
After the first turbo blew, I had called Dennis@PT and talked about the possibility of failure for about 40 minutes. He is the one that took it apart for inspection. He could not figure out why the turbo had blown, but suggested that we go to the larger -4an supply line and see how things go from there. This was after an extensive review of the entire oiling system, and the fact that these engines have low oil pressure at idle. As a result, I overnighted you a new line, all new fittings with instructions at no cost.
So once again, you are posting misleading information.
All I can do is what the manufacturer recommends, and nobody else since they should know their product best. The turbo is not my product, but a product that comes with my kit. Same goes for all the other components. Remember, every build is different, even if it is the same on paper.
If the piping is cracking, not fitting and the kit is not making power, then it is a kit problem. You did make 604whp on 14psi of boost (pump gas), so the kit is performing, and performing very well under all conditions. Vince could not believe the power made at such low boost.
As I have always done, I will continue to work to resolve potential issues of any second party component in MY kit, by talking to the manufacturers who's components I use. I go to much greater lengths to resolve any issue than any other manufacturer of any forced induction kit for this platform. This is why you will never find any negative reviews on my kit, and I am sure you have tried hard to find at least one. You however need to step back, check the language, name calling and attitude at the door (it is a lot worse in the emails/texts you send me than it is on here), and be civil for a change.
We are still in close contact and once the motor issue is resolved with R/T, we will get to the bottom of the turbo issue. As I told you, I will do you the courtesy of providing you with the findings when and if they become available so you do not end up in this situation again of selling a kit to someone with an intended application and it not meeting that expectation, regardless of if it is a product you sell with your kit or something you yourself fab, it is clearly not universal and the end result here will only help you in the end, at my expense of course.... Your welcome.
So, you have a turbo failure from another company that caused a pump failure both of which aren't produced by BP. How exactly does that mean that BP can't take abuse? Sounds like the turbo had a defect in it causing an unfortunate failure. If that turbo was set out to a supra customer or civic customer through another business it would have still failed.
That's like blaming the construction company that built your house for a fire that was caused by a faulty oven. Makes no sense at all.
And like many people have said, you don't see amatuer non sponsored racers using 500+ turbo charged cars when racing because of the high wear and extremely high cost of keeping them up. Turbo charging (factory or non) will had a high degree of mechanical risk when pushed to it's limited for 30+ minutes of a race. They are wear parts, they wear out or in this situation with a defective part they fail. You really need to look hard into your hobby if you can't except random part failures and money gone.
I have never once seen sasa guarantee or even HINT at the fact that no components will fail. In the first kit he made that Don had he fixed any defect on his dime that was a problem directly with the kit he built. He has gone above and beyond for myself as well but when my turbo failed due to defect I didn't blame him. When my oil line hung low causing a leak which then caused bearing failure on one of my motors, I didn't blame him. None of that is within his control or something that reflects on the quality of his product. It just happens in this game.
Gix, I'm really sorry you had a defective turbo. I truely am. It's frustrating to see money go down the hole. On that note I seriously can't see how this is any fault of Sasha, Objectively. Precision already did their part at replacing their product failure so I'm confused at what else you want done. I seriously don't think you will run any turbo or turbo kit with certainty that something won't fail when you are using it hard.
We have already discussed through email the continued smoking issue you have and all the tests that sasha ran and shared data with me concluding that the supply line provides not only the recommended pressure but also flow that Precision recommends. I think your smoking issue will resolve if you take the steps we discussed.
We have already discussed through email the continued smoking issue you have and all the tests that sasha ran and shared data with me concluding that the supply line provides not only the recommended pressure but also flow that Precision recommends. I think your smoking issue will resolve if you take the steps we discussed.
That's like me asking how many plane crashes their are a year and you asking me how many boats have leaks in their hulls. wtf does a completely different subject matter have anything to do with my initial question?
"oh, your block failed so try a wildly expensive swap that has only been completed by a few people. It will super reliable in 5 years when you line out all the bugs, if ever"
Strawman arguments are awesome.
There is so much chit being flung in here. Gix get your act together if you want actual advice just be mature.
There is so much chit being flung in here. Gix get your act together if you want actual advice just be mature.
How is it a game? Your question to me has zero relevance to your comment. The amount of 1000+ hp cars has no relationship with how many people have actually completed a swap. So answering a question with a completely irrelevant question doesn't suddenly give merit to your audacious statement. You are giving bad advice if you can't tell the person that YES there are plenty of people doing swaps with zero issues. I personally have never told a person going to a built block would be zero risk. I actually tell them the truth: high risk. From all the other cars I have dealt with I honestly don't see it any higher risk than any other modified car. People on this forum might think so because they are isolated from the rest of the car world and the only thing this forum has been good for is people complaining about their failures (which are actually a small percentage in the grand scheme of all boosted cars since about half of them don't even visit these forums).
That's like me asking how many plane crashes their are a year and you asking me how many boats have leaks in their hulls. wtf does a completely different subject matter have anything to do with my initial question?
"oh, your block failed so try a wildly expensive swap that has only been completed by a few people. It will super reliable in 5 years when you line out all the bugs, if ever"
That's like me asking how many plane crashes their are a year and you asking me how many boats have leaks in their hulls. wtf does a completely different subject matter have anything to do with my initial question?
"oh, your block failed so try a wildly expensive swap that has only been completed by a few people. It will super reliable in 5 years when you line out all the bugs, if ever"
Last edited by gixx76; Aug 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM. Reason: Reply received from BP- will attempt adjustment before reposting






