Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit..Pics/Videos
09-20-2004, 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
I just re-read your post and realized you were asking about bigger then 380CC. I know the E-manage can scale injectors so technically if you added that to the flashed ECU you could further scale bigger injectors. The turbo is good to over 650 so you can certainly go for the gusto if so desired....
I just re-read your post and realized you were asking about bigger then 380CC. I know the E-manage can scale injectors so technically if you added that to the flashed ECU you could further scale bigger injectors. The turbo is good to over 650 so you can certainly go for the gusto if so desired....
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09-20-2004, 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by g356gear
This was mentioned in one of the later videos about the e-manage. The reason I ask is because there will be a few guys on the board with lower compression forged motors looking for some more boost. Any specs on what type of turbo configuration they are using? T04E...T04B ????
This was mentioned in one of the later videos about the e-manage. The reason I ask is because there will be a few guys on the board with lower compression forged motors looking for some more boost. Any specs on what type of turbo configuration they are using? T04E...T04B ????
Heres the kit specs from the original post:
Complete system to include:
-60-1/Stg 5 Ceramic Ball Bearing Turbocharger
-Front mount 3.5"x7.9"x24" Spearco Intercooler
-External Evolution Wastegate
-Raptor By-Pass Valve
-6 new injectors
-fuel/ignition managment
-All stainless turbo mounting and piping from the manifolds to
the turbocharger+downpipe
-All aluminum boost tubing
Looks like we will settle somwhere bewteen 6.5psi (363whp or 435chp) and 8.3psi (406whp or 487chp) our data was measured on our Dynopack wheel dyno with the stock exhaust system (rear section only, no cats).
The video as shown was just below 400 WHP with 11.5:1 across the board to redline on 380cc injectors. TS reflash for tuning and timing. All other elements of the car were stock other than springs. (tanabe) Stock exhaust/stock headers/etc..
09-20-2004, 02:01 PM
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Heres a link to the turbo type they are using/..
http://www.turboneticsinc.com/series60.html
Heres the generic map for their turbo off of their webpage...
Like I said though they are using a slightly different compressor wheel and the one for this kit is a ceramic ball bearing turbo so it may be slightly different then this map..
http://www.turboneticsinc.com/series60.html
Heres the generic map for their turbo off of their webpage...
Like I said though they are using a slightly different compressor wheel and the one for this kit is a ceramic ball bearing turbo so it may be slightly different then this map..
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09-20-2004, 02:26 PM
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Have they mentioned anything about how easy this kit would be to use on a lower compression motor?? Still a plug and play version for that application as well??
09-20-2004, 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by g356gear
Have they mentioned anything about how easy this kit would be to use on a lower compression motor?? Still a plug and play version for that application as well??
Have they mentioned anything about how easy this kit would be to use on a lower compression motor?? Still a plug and play version for that application as well??
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09-20-2004, 02:36 PM
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CARB
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
Actually the designer of this kit Jahm formerly of Fmax has made many of his other Nissan kits CARB legal in the past and I'm sure could find a way to make it work to get a cat on there and make it legal. I wouldn't flat out say its not possible. At least not without knowing what they are going to do first. They could merge the flow after the cats couldnt they?
Actually the designer of this kit Jahm formerly of Fmax has made many of his other Nissan kits CARB legal in the past and I'm sure could find a way to make it work to get a cat on there and make it legal. I wouldn't flat out say its not possible. At least not without knowing what they are going to do first. They could merge the flow after the cats couldnt they?
b) mergeing the flow "after the CATS" would turn an already lag challenged arrangement into a major "lag queen". The CATS wick and enourmous amount of heat energy from the thru exhaust flow.
This isn't the kit for anyone concerned with future CARB EO#s.
09-20-2004, 02:45 PM
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Re: CARB
Originally posted by G3po
a)When asked previously, Turbonetics claimed that this kit was not intended fro CARB use, a future version (probably TT) may be directed towards CARB. In the "past" is with respect single turbo configurations on "in-line" plants. It's quite straight forward to keep the exhaust path short from the manifold , thru the impeller and to the OEM CAT on these configs. The V-configuration with a single snail has not been CARB'd in the past at Turbonetics. This is a vastly different configuration than those of the past.
b) mergeing the flow "after the CATS" would turn an already lag challenged arrangement into a major "lag queen". The CATS wick and enourmous amount of heat energy from the thru exhaust flow.
This isn't the kit for anyone concerned with future CARB EO#s.
a)When asked previously, Turbonetics claimed that this kit was not intended fro CARB use, a future version (probably TT) may be directed towards CARB. In the "past" is with respect single turbo configurations on "in-line" plants. It's quite straight forward to keep the exhaust path short from the manifold , thru the impeller and to the OEM CAT on these configs. The V-configuration with a single snail has not been CARB'd in the past at Turbonetics. This is a vastly different configuration than those of the past.
b) mergeing the flow "after the CATS" would turn an already lag challenged arrangement into a major "lag queen". The CATS wick and enourmous amount of heat energy from the thru exhaust flow.
This isn't the kit for anyone concerned with future CARB EO#s.
Originally posted by Turbonetics
This first system will not allow for the use of EOM dual CAT configuration and therefore will not be able to meet CARB requirments.
There will be continued work in developing a CARB certifiable system with aftermarket CAT's down stream of the turbo.[/B]
This first system will not allow for the use of EOM dual CAT configuration and therefore will not be able to meet CARB requirments.
There will be continued work in developing a CARB certifiable system with aftermarket CAT's down stream of the turbo.[/B]
09-20-2004, 03:09 PM
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Re: Re: CARB
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
Not that I care about CARB (none of the other turbo systems are CARB legal BTW) but:
Most F/I kits are not CARB legal to begin with and very few every eventually pass. Maybe the Governator can get rid of that crap too. I know in FL they used to have emissions testing and after realizing it was a waste of tax payer dollars they cut it out...Besides no one thought a single turbo set up would ever be made due to design problems but these guys made it happen. Whats to say they can't make it Carb legal too?
Not that I care about CARB (none of the other turbo systems are CARB legal BTW) but:
Most F/I kits are not CARB legal to begin with and very few every eventually pass. Maybe the Governator can get rid of that crap too. I know in FL they used to have emissions testing and after realizing it was a waste of tax payer dollars they cut it out...Besides no one thought a single turbo set up would ever be made due to design problems but these guys made it happen. Whats to say they can't make it Carb legal too?
It is very likely that JWT will obtain an EO# first and hopefully APS second. So with all this said, for those who don't give a R--Ts **** about CARB#s should consider this system as a valid option.
09-20-2004, 03:16 PM
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Re: Re: Re: CARB
Originally posted by G3po
There are some fundamental thermal challenges WRT to a single Turbo on a VQ plant, that I honestly do not beleive that Turbonetics or the any engineer "almighty" can really solve. Now it's a challenge for a TT conguration , but it honestly appears technically achievable as many OEMs can prove.
It is very likely that JWT will obtain an EO# first and hopefully APS second. So with all this said, for those who don't give a R--Ts **** about CARB#s should consider this system as a valid option.
There are some fundamental thermal challenges WRT to a single Turbo on a VQ plant, that I honestly do not beleive that Turbonetics or the any engineer "almighty" can really solve. Now it's a challenge for a TT conguration , but it honestly appears technically achievable as many OEMs can prove.
It is very likely that JWT will obtain an EO# first and hopefully APS second. So with all this said, for those who don't give a R--Ts **** about CARB#s should consider this system as a valid option.
(a) No turbo solutions are currently CARB exempt
(b) Only 1 SC solution is exempt
(c) Most aftermarket F/I solutions never are able to achieve a CARB exemption order .
(d) (Another valid point not mentioned) Most manufacturers cannot even get standard Bolt on N/A mods to be CARB exempt.
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
What did it say when you tried to download the videos? Did you try to right click and choose "save target as"? I just downloaded them from my site and they seem to work ok...
What did it say when you tried to download the videos? Did you try to right click and choose "save target as"? I just downloaded them from my site and they seem to work ok...
Who do I send my check to? This is really nice. Please make a cat for it that'll work...that's all I ask.
Hey, by the way, what was the outcome with the EVO?
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09-21-2004, 06:02 AM
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I'd like to retract one of my previous posts here. The compressor map I posted is incorrect. They are using a bigger compressor wheel then that and the efficiency island is a bit different as I believe that map is not a ball bearing unit and it is definitely not the wheel they are using. Turbonetics should have some more info out soon. Like I said before Brad (Turbonetics s/n) is the VP and General Manager of the company so he gets tied up doing other things alot. (Like running a bad@ss company). Official release I believe is scheduled for SEMA in Nov but it may e out sooner. Got a PM from Brad this morning and hes going to try to get me the answers to the questions I couldn't answer soon. Thanks again Brad, Turbonetics...Everyone else stay tuned...Theres a LOT more to come..
09-21-2004, 09:19 AM
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Do you think they need a good looking car to demo it on at SEMA 
hehehe .... I shoulda tagged along with you for this visit man ... this damn thread has me drooling
hehehe .... I shoulda tagged along with you for this visit man ... this damn thread has me drooling
09-21-2004, 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by JimRHIT
Do you think they need a good looking car to demo it on at SEMA hehehe .... I shoulda tagged along with you for this visit man ... this damn thread has me drooling
Do you think they need a good looking car to demo it on at SEMA
hehehe .... I shoulda tagged along with you for this visit man ... this damn thread has me drooling
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Damn I wonder if my Tilton flywheel and the 350EVO gears im installing would live happily with this turbo???? LOL..... I am looking for some kind of FI and this competes with the SC out there.......as soon as I learn about reliability I may be in..... also the whole fuel management thing is always scary.....
09-21-2004, 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
I'd like to retract one of my previous posts here. The compressor map I posted is incorrect. They are using a bigger compressor wheel then that and the efficiency island is a bit different as I believe that map is not a ball bearing unit and it is definitely not the wheel they are using. Turbonetics should have some more info out soon. Like I said before Brad (Turbonetics s/n) is the VP and General Manager of the company so he gets tied up doing other things alot. (Like running a bad@ss company). Official release I believe is scheduled for SEMA in Nov but it may e out sooner. Got a PM from Brad this morning and hes going to try to get me the answers to the questions I couldn't answer soon. Thanks again Brad, Turbonetics...Everyone else stay tuned...Theres a LOT more to come..
I'd like to retract one of my previous posts here. The compressor map I posted is incorrect. They are using a bigger compressor wheel then that and the efficiency island is a bit different as I believe that map is not a ball bearing unit and it is definitely not the wheel they are using. Turbonetics should have some more info out soon. Like I said before Brad (Turbonetics s/n) is the VP and General Manager of the company so he gets tied up doing other things alot. (Like running a bad@ss company). Official release I believe is scheduled for SEMA in Nov but it may e out sooner. Got a PM from Brad this morning and hes going to try to get me the answers to the questions I couldn't answer soon. Thanks again Brad, Turbonetics...Everyone else stay tuned...Theres a LOT more to come..
Could you check to see how they are going to work the TS reflash. Are they wanting us to send down our ecu for re-flash to Turbonetics to be sent back to us with our kit?? What kind of turnaround time are they hoping to achieve? Thanks.
09-21-2004, 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by g356gear
MIAPLAYA,
Could you check to see how they are going to work the TS reflash. Are they wanting us to send down our ecu for re-flash to Turbonetics to be sent back to us with our kit?? What kind of turnaround time are they hoping to achieve? Thanks.
MIAPLAYA,
Could you check to see how they are going to work the TS reflash. Are they wanting us to send down our ecu for re-flash to Turbonetics to be sent back to us with our kit?? What kind of turnaround time are they hoping to achieve? Thanks.
