I'm not going to get into it again with you. One word Unprofessional.

 

Why are you so closed minded?

Peter is an engineer and is only giving the facts not his opinion.

 

Peter has created and tested several single turbo configurations on the 350z, so I think his insight here is invaluable. I dont know of any others who can comment on such a kit with actual physical engineering experience like he has.

 

That doesnt sound like a personal opinion? Have you ever taken a class on Business Ethics?

 

G3po certainly could as an enigneer. Along with protocav and several others who are mechanical enigneers. I just don't think it should come from a direct competitor.

 

And by the way G3po is directly opposed to this kit. Furthermore protocav has designed and created his own turbo kits before so i think that if comments like that are coming from anyone it should be them

 

Well I guess people can say what they wan't. The numbers will most definately speak for themselves.

 

They certianly will....

 

I chuckle at all the haters on this forum. This kit has not even been released and people continue to talk trash. I also agree with Miaplaya regarding a direct competitor casting negative comments, not very business like. Our day is coming and you shall all see.

Miaplaya where are getting your kit installed? I live in Oceanside and my installer is very reputable.

 

I can respect their comments as well but I think Peters are valid as he has hands on experience, even if he is a competitor. In truth I think the kits are aimed at different demographics and dont actually compete that directly.

I understand your concern but if Turbonetics were here to question Peters comments all of us could stand to learn something. Turbonetics could learn why Peter thinks this particular design isnt the best choice, Peter could learn why Turbonetics went with this design and we would learn more about the product in the process. Keep in mind that most companies on these forums use this type of feedback to make changes to their designs improving their products. I have yet to see Turbonetics on here and im sure they are mising out on some valuable feedback from various people.

 

Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to that, equally I'm entitled to have my own opinion.

I don't follow why you think/believe that I have no right to input on this forum or on any thread that pertains to turbocharging.

I have the same interest as many other 350Z forum member and good information and members opinions is what a good forum is all about.

I've helped out forum members with other opposition Turbo systems many times before and I will in the future, equally I will point out where I see potential problems to help other forum members where possible and practical.

If you don't agree with my comment, just move on as we can have different views on some issues and agree on others.

Thanks

peter

 

Actually Turbonetics has been on here quite a bit. No not as much as Peter but they have been here. Thankfully Turbonetics does not have the same understanding of business standards as others so no they do not reply to some of the hatred for their kit before its even been released. They would rather allow us the customers who get their kit and have actually driven in a car with it to form our own opinions rather than use their credtianls (mis-spelled i'm sure) to influence any opinions here. Furthermore the representitve from Turbonetics who does post is the Vice President and General manager of Turbonetics so he is just a littl bit busy in his day to day stuff and does not always have time to come on here and respond to people who want to bash their product before its even be out there for public testing. They will use these forums to make changes if needed i'm sure but they wont be based on what is said by those who have never even gone for ride in a car that has their kit. Turbonetics and Peter have discussed this kit in person at SEMA at great length. There is no valid reason why APS would need to "learn more" about this kit. They no exactly what the design was and why and yet they continue to talk down about a competitors product in a thread specifically about it. if you dont see this as bad business ethics then I apologize but you should.

 

My kit is getting installed up north of here. PM me for info.

 

Oh I can agree to disagree about the design of the kit with you but the fact you always post negative comments about their design in a thread specifically about their kit is bad business. I don't see how you have the same interest as other members about this kit. Are you planning on buying this? do you plan to run this kit? How is it exactly you share my interest in this kit? Is this not a competitor to you? I'm not sure how you can honestly not see that this is bad business ethics and very un-professional. If someone did this to a thread about your kit you would not be happy.

 

As long as they are using the forum effectively. I dont think Turbonetics needs to respond to every post.

I missed the Peter and Turbonetics discussion, but we could stand to learn more, so we can make an informed descision. How far away from production are they?

People keep mentioning 'hatred', I havnt seen anyone that hates the kit. Is this word being used to describe some people who might disagree with some of Turbonetics design choices?

 

Man MIAPLAYA calm down. He didn't say turbonetics is crap buy APS. There is obviously a rushed design on this. They could merge the headers into a split runner turbo and have the wastegate exactly at where the 2 pipes merge. They choose to weld the right exhuast manifold to the left exhuast manifold at an aqward angle. They obviously built it one time and stuck with it. The could of spend $300 dollars and tried to redo the piping to fix the aqward piping.

 

On a positive note; I want to thank both APS and Turbonetics for being on this forum. I personally enjoy their feedback and hope that discussions can always be positive for the sake of all owners getting a product that meets their goals.

 

If someone raised a valid engineering point I would take this on board and then see what could be improved with the design.

A good forum is healthy, informative and valueable for members when opinions and loads of good general information is posted from all over the planet for members to consider ............people from all walks of life, engineers, sales people, doctors, car enthusiasts, lawyers, etc, etc.

The way you post it's as if you own Turbonectics (you take every comment so personally).............there's nothing wrong with constructive criticisim/input and members can make up their own mind after viewing all of the posts.

Thanks

Peter

 

I think the reason why MIAPLAYA is so sensitive is because the Tubonetics kit is everything he is looking for and really wants it to work. I can totaly undetstand his point of view because I am also in the market for a turbo kit and a single turbo sounds sick!

Constructive criticism is always good but worthless if you’re defensive and not open minded. Who knows maybe Turbonetics will read what Peter is saying and actually improve the kit before it’s released so to me that’s a positive.

 

Peter back his arguments with valid points worth considering so I dont see this as slander or "hate."