When APS releases the Single Sidewinder Intercooled Dual ball bearing Turbo system you will then see it's possible to have a much broader Power and Torque range when you use much improved exhaust manifolding which retains more of the heat energy to drive the turbocharger.

Thanks

Peter


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Hey APS..here's the start for the thread about the Single turbo sidewinder kit. Let's hear about it

 

I was under the impression that they thought single turbo was NOT the way to go....after all that ripping on turbonetics and all.

 

While a single turbo on a "V" style engine will never be the best design
Peter's main area of concern was how they did it. The Turbonetics kit uses the factory exhaust manifolds then connects them by way of a crossover pipe that joins at a sharp angle.

The Turbonetics kit will work but there are ways to do it better. It is a good low budget kit.

As shown by APS's Twin kit they will probably take the single setup a step or two higher. They won't be direct competitors. It looks like they plan to put it below their twin kit but above the Turbonetics kit.
Gary

 

Im sure Peter will respond, but until then here is a post of his from another forum:


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I'm not anti single turbo systems, it's just that twin turbos on a V configuration engine will always generate the best and most powerful result across the entire rpm range...........Period.

Now I can understand the motivation behind building a single turbo system (the only reason we did not release a single turbo system from day one is that's it's impossible to apply for a CARB EO with a single turbo) and the bottom line is less cost for the consumer, though make no mistake the lower cost comes with a penality, lower performance.............maybe this lower upfront cost and less performance (and no CARB EO capability) suits some guys in different places of the states and for that matter on the planet.

Now I'm sure that APS can produce the single turbo system and achieve the best possible turbo and manifold match so that low to mid rpm engine response is not compromised too much, ultimately a single turbo systen will never have the power across the entire rpm range, though if the turbo is matched correctly and the manifolding designed to transfer gas energy efficiently I believe the APS single will offer a really good alternative to the centrifugal SC and be very competitive on cost.......this is our target consumer and we want to cater for the entire FI market not just the elite.

I trust you now understand that APS knows much about the performance of the single turbo on the Z engine, afterall I was testing the single turbo Z product over a year ago............bottom line it's horses for courses and superior engine performance always comes at a small premium.

Thanks

Peter


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Crap.. Just when I think that I have my mind made up. When is this going to be released? Any pics? <M>

 

OMG guys you start this thread with only rumors... I hope Peter can fix this up... btw he was talking to me about some discution between Singles Turbos vs TT...

 

Peter posted, on this forum, that APS has in development a single turbo kit. How is this a rumor? Peter works for APS and not a tabloid or magazine. The source is first hand.

 

Not a lot I can tell you guys right now other than APS has completed all all of the engineering on the single sindwinder Intercooled Turbo system and this product is targeted at the lower price end of the FI market.

The main engineering objective was to produce a single Intercooled Dual Ball Bearing Turbo system which produces superior low to mid range power/torque than a centrifugal SC system (Vortech /Ati systems) with the same or higher top end power of the popular SC systems at a very affordale price.

If all goes to plan you can expect the APS Sindwinder Single Turbo system to be released in the US about May 05 as we have many other projects to get into production prior to this time.

As usual you can expect this product to be very complete with a professional fuel and ignition retard/engine management system in the base APS Sindwinder Turbo System.

Thanks

Peter

 

Just make sure the software is compatible with ULEV2 vehicles that are using the wideband air:fuel sensors....basically anything after a 2004.5 build date on U.S. spec vehicles. There seem to be surfacing reports (including me) of software compatibility problems with the existing FI kits out there as the first kits are starting to be installed on late model '04's and '05's in the U.S. For that matter....is this issue going to come up with your twin turbo kit since all the R&D for that kit was done on an earlier model Z as well?????

 

Ok many thanks for the info greatly appreciated, APS has completed the testing on a ULEV2 Z car and I'm happy to report without any problems what so ever.

The information I have is that all 350 Z cars produced after the 10 month 03 (build date) have the ULEV2 system and we have tested and tuned this later model Z car without problem.

The APS engineering car was produced after 10 month 03 so this means that all of the engineering was conducted on the ULEV2 Z car.

Peter

APS

 

Peter,
Just a friendly heads up...Sidewinder is a brand name that Gale Banks Engineering is using for his turbo systems both gas and diesl and has registered the name...Gale is very agressive in name protection.

a single huh...that's awsome..see it can be done...and done well...if you guys decide to pursue this path I am sure you wil do a great job as you did with the twin system. let me know if you need turbo's.
Brad

 

Now THATS professionalism and class...

 

Thanks Brad for the heads up on the name, greatly appreciated.

Yeah I know mate, APS engineers designed and tested the single Intercooled Turbo System 12 months ago though were concerned with the CARB issue (moving the cats from the stock position means CARB EO is not possible) so this is why we shelved the project until recently, thanks for your offer on the turbos will definitely keep this in mind for future projects.

Now that we're aware that many in the US are not concerned about the CARB EO issue we have have decided to go to production with the single Intercooled Turbo system product.

We consider this new APS product as a real competitor to the lower priced centrifugal Superchargers and we expect the product will offer excellent bang for bucks for those who are'nt concerned about the CARB EO issue.

Peter

APS

 

Good lord, let it go man. We all can see how things are, you just pointing out the obvious over and over is sad. Nobody respects a puppet.

We KNOW that you are not a employee of Turbonetics but it doesn't matter at this point.
Gary

 

so will it have new manifolds or does it also use the stock manifolds like turbonetics? please post pictures as I am making a decision soon. thanks

 

I was waiting for it

 

Peter-

Many of us are not concerned with CARB issues per se, but most of us have to pass an emmsions sniffer test. In other words, most USA metro areas do emssions testing...and we'll get busted without CATs. The location of the CAT(s) is not important...it can even be a high-flow CAT, but it needs to be in there somewhere. Is APS going to work a CAT in this system somewhere...

Thanks,
Pilot_Z

 

Thanks for your post and I'm positive that the APS Intercooled Single Turbo System can be executed in a way that delivers optimum engine performance and component durability at a very affordable price...............in other words an excellent entry level FI product for Z owners who want higher engine performance, quality precision parts, with thorough engineering backing the product.

Often a very competitive market place breeds new innovation and provides Turbo System designers the opportunity to push the boundries of performance and engineering to a new level. This is exactly what APS intends to offer in the APS single turbo product, time will tell for sure.

Thanks

peter

 

woo APS

kick vortech in the nuts!

 

Do you have any early ball park figures for hp and torque for this kit. Will it be compatible with the auto tranny 350Z? I too am concerned that there have been several changes by Nissan to the engine management system since the 350Z was released. Does your system piggy back? Does the 350Z MAF work with your APS engine management to "keep learning" so that the proper tuning occurs regardless of the tweeks Nissan has made to engine managment over the course of the car's production? My 350 Z has an early '04 production date and I just want to be sure any kit I install is going to be optimum for the setup in my specific production date of the 350Z for A/F and timing retard, etc..