http://www.afefilters.com/54-10482%2...z%20review.htm

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"I acknowledge that we did not see the 21 horsepower gain that we have claimed. As a result, I will recommend to my top management that we tone down our claims until we obtain more definitive results. I hope to make correction on the product review on our website shortly. I will also recommend that we reduce our MSRP prices so that our kits are more in line with our competition. When that's going to happen, I can't promise."
-AFE representative
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....&page=28&pp=20
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This product STILL claims 21HP gain.
This product is STILL for sale at $570 on their website.

Even though the AFE representative ADMITS the intake doesn't produce 21HP, the product is STILL advertised for sale claiming 21HP.

If this were my product, I would change my marketing claim IMMEDIATELY,
I would post a public apology for my faulty claims, and I would send a letter to all my customers offering them a full refund including shipping.
What I would NOT do; is ignore all the hard data, ignore my own representative who admits the 21HP gain is wrong, and continue to sell this product claiming 21HP gain.

The company's mission statement includes:"We are in business to provide an exceptional value for our customers.....We shall do so in an ethical manner..."

Does anyone need any other proof that this company is a fraud, and is only out to scam people?

Sorry, I just can't believe this product is still for sale on the website claiming 21HP gain. Can someone in Cali please call the Better Business Bureau?
I can't understand why other people are not as upset as I am about this blatant fraud?

S.

 

It has stickers on it's intake tube, that sticker alone has to be at least 15HP right there. The remaining 6HP must be from the filter.

But seriously, they are only hurting themselves with a riduculous claim that we all know they can't back up since It's the same setup as the popcharger. Actually, their tube is even smaller then the stock intake tube.

I wouldn't mind buying their heat shield for the filter and putting on my popcharger though. But they will probably charge $200 for the heat shield to be consistent with their outragous pricing. LOL

Thanks for the heads up. Good info.

 

Actually, you don't want to get just the heat shield either. The same AFE representative who admitted the 21HP claim is false, has also admitted that the heat shield doesn't fit. There are problems with it touching the A/C line (potentially causing MAJOR and EXPENSIVE problems).
Also, the hood doesn't close with their heat shield installed. (LOL!)
...but yet, the product is still for sale, with no mention of a potential MAJOR problem with the A/C line contact...and no mention that you can't close your hood.
I love these guys!

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Secondly, I acknowledge that the fitment of the heat shield could be better. We thought that we had enough clearance between the A/C line but it appears that when the heat shield is moved over to make that clearance, it causes a problem with clearance with the hood. I think some minor trimming of the heat shield so that it doesn't push the hood up is in order and I will push to get those changes done. When they are done, I will inform those who have already bought the kit and replace their heat shields with a new one.
-AFE Representative
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https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....&page=28&pp=20

 

A tube with a filter on the end. What a revolutionary concept.

 

This is an intake not super charger, yeah there marketing plan is not the best, but come on, arguing and crying to the BBB? that is ridiculous!!

if you DON'T like there, end it, dont pay attention to it go and buy a intake kit that best fits your needs!

 

Finally someone who is acting like an grown up adult person.

 

Hello Michael Cain, glad you could join us on this board!
(nice first post, by the way)

For the rest of you who don't know him, Michael is a sales/technical support agent for Advanced Flow Engineering.
I took it upon myself to call AFE and ask about the claimed 21HP gain on the air intake. I was forwarded to Michael and told him about what my350z.com had found out after the independent dyno test. (ya'll remember that thread, don't you?) here:
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....&page=28&pp=20

I sent Michael the link to that thread, where the AFE employee present at the dyno test said:
"I acknowledge that we did not see the 21 horsepower gain that we have claimed. As a result, I will recommend to my top management that we tone down our claims until we obtain more definitive results. I hope to make correction on the product review on our website shortly"

After a few emails back and forth between Michael and myself, the last email I got from him said:
"I talked with my Marketing dept which is in charge of our website and I made them aware of the what we had discussed . They told me that they will take care of the problem.
Thank You
Michael D. Cain
Technical Support Agent For Advanced Flow Engineering
Phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx"

Of course, both employees are all just talk, because their website still advertises the same air intake, with the same 21HP gain.

I was gonna let the whole matter drop, because obviously nobody else is as upset about it as me. I didn't even bother to respond to rubAdub's reply two days ago. (rubAdub told me to stop crying, and posted a picture of the intake, pretty blatant advertising if you ask me). rubAdub also told me to buy an intake that best fits my needs.
well, an intake that best fits my needs is one that actually does what it claims to do. Just like my smoke detector in my home claims it alarms me when there is smoke in house. Just like Nissan claims the airbags will deploy when I need them.

But now that Michael has joined and also responded, well, now I'm getting fired up again.

So, where do you want to go from here?
Why don't you, Michael, as the Technical Support Agent for AFE, tell everyone here about your intake, how it makes 21HP, your dyno chart, and the $500+ price tag.
I think more than one of us is also interested in the BMW air intake that makes 41 HP gain.

I eagerly await your reply.
Thanx!

 

Can't we just let this thing rest in peace????
Wasn't this intake hashed and rehashed to death earlier? : https://my350z.com/forum/intake-exhaust/133339-21hp-19-ft-torque-on-the-350z.html

There's probably a reason that no one replied.....

 

I'm done.
RIP.

 

This must be the Stage 2 because the Stage 1 was only 15 horsepower.

 

I heard the stage 3 was going to be bad aRss though. Something like 59 HP and 100 TQ

 

Wow, 'an grown up adult person'. If that's the best reply AFE can provide to a group of prospective customers, no wonder their equipment doesn't live up to the marketing claims. Really, hoseofheil, let it drop. These guys have been exposed as outright crooks, and most of us will never give them a second thought ever again, no matter what they do with the claims on their website.

 

Stage 3. My God. Its beyond human comprehension!

 

Just went on thier website ans they posted a Public Apology to K&N looks like they tried to talk bad about K&N and got busted.
http://afefilters.com/afevsknfilters.htm
APOLOGY AND RETRACTION. On July 18, 2005, aFe posted in its FAQ forum, a question asking "Can I use K&N oil on my aFe filter?" This question as well as several others were posted by aFe's staff personnel based on questions asked by its customers and consumers. In response, aFe responded:

Quote:
"We don't recommend using anything other than aFe oil. aFe oil is a highly refined oil that does not contain any surfactant. Other manufacturers like K&N use surfactant, an additive that makes the oil more sticky, to help the filter filter and hold more dirt. However, when air is drawn through the filter, the surfactant can be sucked in and adhere to the Mass airflow sensor. Over time, the surfactant can coat the MAF sensor and cause the check engine light to come on."



This response is incorrect. aFe has no knowledge or evidence that K&N oil contains surfactant and aFe has not conducted any scientific tests or studies that prove K&N air filter oil contaminates Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF) or that K&N air filter oil would adversely affect the performance of an aFe air filter. K&N has informed aFe that K&N air filter oil does not contain surfactants.



aFe apologizes to K&N and to any consumer who read this erroneous statement in aFe's FAQ forum and was mislead by it. Any consumer who purchased aFe air filter oil as a result of this Question and ANswer may obtain a refund from aFe of the full purchase price of the oil, together with all shipping costs associated with returning the oil to aFe for such a refund. Please contact aFe's Customer Service Department at advanced FLOW engineering, 191 Granite Street, Corona, CA 92879, tel: 951-493-7100, fax: 951-493-7177, for details regarding a refund.

Copyright © 2005 Advanced Flow Engineering

 

Any fool that believes any intake on a Z will provide 20+WHP should be bent over for $570 of his McDonalds earned money...c'mon people, read up, do some research and buy $hit that works.

 

i wonder if they will let me return mine??

 

The entire low cost aftermarket industry is built on the low level of scientific knowledge of the average buyer.............few products do 100% of claimed increases............rounding up [sometimes grossly] is what feeds their children.

 

We did an independent dyno on this intake last year on a Dynojet. It gained 6hp, Kenny has it on his Z, I will have him chime in on his thoughts.