TS Reflash= RIP OFF?
Originally Posted by Chebosto
As far as self adjustability, yes. Utec can't be beat. for $1800 in parts and tuning, you better get every you need. NA or FI...
For me and others who dont want the hassle of trying to finding an authorized tuner, a flash can do everything i want the car to do to while safely boosting up to 1 bar for 1/3rd the cost. I abuse the Z just as hard as anyone can imagine. and i'm fine with my reflash. I'm biased against the fact that the thread started claimed it as a Rip Off. and i highly disagree with that statement.
For me and others who dont want the hassle of trying to finding an authorized tuner, a flash can do everything i want the car to do to while safely boosting up to 1 bar for 1/3rd the cost. I abuse the Z just as hard as anyone can imagine. and i'm fine with my reflash. I'm biased against the fact that the thread started claimed it as a Rip Off. and i highly disagree with that statement.
ok so let me get this straight. Since i am local, i can have TS custom flash my ECU to my mods. But before that i need to give them a dyno (75.00). Then after the flash i have to dyno(75.00) it again to see if they did it right?
Originally Posted by InsaneChink
ok so let me get this straight. Since i am local, i can have TS custom flash my ECU to my mods. But before that i need to give them a dyno (75.00). Then after the flash i have to dyno(75.00) it again to see if they did it right?
prior to heading down there, an A/F readout and dyno would be preferred. You should call them first if u have questions. They do have an A/F measurement device there, however it is for final tuning purposes.
Originally Posted by Chebosto
prior to heading down there, an A/F readout and dyno would be preferred. You should call them first if u have questions. They do have an A/F measurement device there, however it is for final tuning purposes.
Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
That makes no sence...How is an A/F device used only for a final tune?Dont they do a pre-and post tune A/F??
The A/F device is not used solely for the final tune, i don't understand why you must assume that's the only thing they do.
let's also not forget that there was no UTEC for for Z until VERY recent...
For what's it's doing I think it's an excellent product and not even close to being a ripoff. I'm happy with my TC Reflash even though I just use the L-Spec.
They are both good products everyone needs to make up there own mind on what's best for their need.
For what's it's doing I think it's an excellent product and not even close to being a ripoff. I'm happy with my TC Reflash even though I just use the L-Spec.
They are both good products everyone needs to make up there own mind on what's best for their need.
I think you guys voting for utec may be just as biased as chobesto is for TS reflash.
I just got TS reflash done today actually and the gain was huge in the midrange. I was running lean and now I have a perfect 13.1-13.2 afr. They added more fuel to the map, more timing, and the car now feels much smoother and faster. I also have a nice 7100rpm redline. For $600, it is the best mod I have done to date.
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I just got TS reflash done today actually and the gain was huge in the midrange. I was running lean and now I have a perfect 13.1-13.2 afr. They added more fuel to the map, more timing, and the car now feels much smoother and faster. I also have a nice 7100rpm redline. For $600, it is the best mod I have done to date.
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I personally feel the thread started out in a negative tone by bashing TC. Then when Chebosto gave a different opinion then those pro UTEC, he was bashed pretty much for giving it. Just because he likes TC's product and even if they sponsor him as well does not mean he cannot have valid points. Saying a persons opinion means “squat” is not the way to start a meaningful discussion.
Most often, whatever a person buys/selects for their car, they tend to defend it be it is an exhaust or a turbo kit. Most of us do this unfortunately, just like when a WRX or RX8 owner comes on our forum; it is not uncommon for Z owners to be biased toward our Z's.
I feel we need to rise above this behavior, grow up a bit and agree to be kind to each other and respect each other even when we disagree. There is no benefit to being abrasive when discussing an issue. Most of us are adults, not in high school. Why can't we discuss the pros and cons of each product? Instead of trying to prove one product is 100% better than another & maybe try looking and the strengths of each.
Most often, whatever a person buys/selects for their car, they tend to defend it be it is an exhaust or a turbo kit. Most of us do this unfortunately, just like when a WRX or RX8 owner comes on our forum; it is not uncommon for Z owners to be biased toward our Z's.
I feel we need to rise above this behavior, grow up a bit and agree to be kind to each other and respect each other even when we disagree. There is no benefit to being abrasive when discussing an issue. Most of us are adults, not in high school. Why can't we discuss the pros and cons of each product? Instead of trying to prove one product is 100% better than another & maybe try looking and the strengths of each.
Last edited by zland; Jan 18, 2006 at 07:49 PM.
Originally Posted by zland
I personally feel the thread started out in a negative tone by bashing TC. Then when Chebosto gave a different opinion then those pro UTEC, he was bashed pretty much for giving it. Just because he likes TC's product and even if they sponsor him as well does not mean he cannot have valid points. Saying a persons opinion means “squat” is not the way to start a meaningful discussion.
Most often, whatever a person buys/selects for their car, they tend to defend it be it is an exhaust or a turbo kit. Most of us do this unfortunately, just like when a WRX or RX8 owner comes on our forum; it is not uncommon for Z owners to be biased toward our Z's.
I feel we need to rise above this behavior, grow up a bit and agree to be kind to each other and respect each other even when we disagree. There is no benefit to being abrasive when discussing an issue. Most of us are adults, not in high school. Why can't we discuss the pros and cons of each product? Instead of trying to prove one product is 100% better than another & maybe try looking and the strengths of each.
Most often, whatever a person buys/selects for their car, they tend to defend it be it is an exhaust or a turbo kit. Most of us do this unfortunately, just like when a WRX or RX8 owner comes on our forum; it is not uncommon for Z owners to be biased toward our Z's.
I feel we need to rise above this behavior, grow up a bit and agree to be kind to each other and respect each other even when we disagree. There is no benefit to being abrasive when discussing an issue. Most of us are adults, not in high school. Why can't we discuss the pros and cons of each product? Instead of trying to prove one product is 100% better than another & maybe try looking and the strengths of each.
Yes, started negative.
I have the PE kit, and when many told me to get the reflash, even at stock boost, Technosquare told me no, and spent the time to answer my questions, This was to stop someone from buying a product that was not needed. Ripoff? I don't think so.
The reason I went UTEC when I upped the boost rather than a reflash:
MAP based.
Adjustable via laptop without special software, shipping etc.
Reversable at no cost.
Disabled at any time.
If I was living in California, I would have reflashed. But I live in a four season environment, and needed a solution that accounted for that.
I have the PE kit, and when many told me to get the reflash, even at stock boost, Technosquare told me no, and spent the time to answer my questions, This was to stop someone from buying a product that was not needed. Ripoff? I don't think so.
The reason I went UTEC when I upped the boost rather than a reflash:
MAP based.
Adjustable via laptop without special software, shipping etc.
Reversable at no cost.
Disabled at any time.
If I was living in California, I would have reflashed. But I live in a four season environment, and needed a solution that accounted for that.
Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
I would call your opinion a bit biased, as are mine for obvious reasons, however I will say there in nothing better than a custom tune on the car itself. Plus I am not comfortable with sending my ECU across the country in a box.But that is just me..Plus a Reflash does not store 5 seperate maps and offer data loging as well as free software upgrades and maps. The UTEC is far superior to a reflash in every way concievable..
Really interested in the Utec now...
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