Originally Posted by Wired 24/7

You might want to reserve judgment to see what a tune could do....

Originally Posted by Wired 24/7

IMO the iso-thermal gaskets may not make a huge difference, but they certainly don't hurt.

Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports

This is true, but the Customer in this case did not have a full understanding of what the outcome would be. And he seemed very dissapointed in the results.

Originally Posted by Hydrazine

But in Dolva's case the heat transfering properties did not help.

Exactly. I just said in my post above it won't make a difference on the dyno.

And I just wished manufacturers would better explain these things to people before they take their money and sell them a product.

So you throw out completely false and baseless assertions? I encourage skepticism but you better have some basis in fact before going out on a limb. I've explained in multiple posts what iso thermal is and does. See the link that has been in my sig for months now.

I think had you explained to Dolva, that this modification would offer him NO LEGITIMATE GAINS given the current configuration of modifications he already purchased from you, he would have not purchased it.

Now you are talking trash because you don't know what our conversations were. After the $100 rebate, Dovla only paid $22.00 for the part. I offered the rebate in exchange for publicly posting his dyno results because this configuration has never been dynod with a previously installed 1/2" spacer. That's being open and honest. Ask him yourself before you come up with the genious idea of calling me a liar.

If people asked me how much gain it would make I couldn't quantify it. I expected it would do something (even with a 1/2" spacer), yet I always said "take it to the dyno!" Its fully documented.

Sooner or later it had to happen. I've seen you write wild eyed frenzy with so many other respected people on this board. People who instigated nothing with you and you had no basis or need to troll on them. It was more of the same speculation.

Both times the car was allowed to sit and cool for aproximately 45 minutes prior to the first run on each set of results.

Thank you. Exactly the point. No heat soak to evaluate the effect of the Iso Thermal. You aren't catching on...

If an open hood dyno does not measure real world HP then why do you post dynos for all your products?

For deltas in plenum geometry and the resultant change in fluid dynamics. Even if the absolute values arent accurate, the deltas are. Thermo dynamics however is completely independant of fluid dynamics. If you need this explained... there is limited effect in trying to explain anything to you on an engineering level. You either can't understand or don't care to hear.

Why not post some technical data like intake temps?Or Track times?Or datalogs of the engines vitals?

You obviously arent reading. I posted the results of an array of (objective) thermocouple data above. My measurements = 30-60 deg F. Independant = up to 80'F with a average of 50'F. Heat transfer analysis based on thermocouple soakback data, plenum assembly mass, plenum aluminum specific heat capasity, plenum temperature change rate, air mass flow rates and air specific heat capascity at constant pressure show the reduction in heat transfer is good for 2 HP under heat soak conditions.

Should I break out a full analysis for you? I could do that but it would fly right over your head and you would monkey right down the same path guaranteed. ...So I won't waste my time.

Dont make a claim of 10 whp then change the topic to debate the effectiveness of an open hood dyno, which is, by the way, the same measurement you utilize in your sales pitch to sell products, simply because the results on someones dyno did not favor your findings...

You are hallucinating buddy. Where did I ever claim or post anything about MREV-2 making 10 more HP when added to a 1/2" spacer? I always said wait for the dynos of anything that hasn't been previously tested. You are thowing anything out to see what sticks. When you hallucinate, you lose credibility.

2 hp at the track, YIPPEEE!!! Or I could slap on 2 Type R badges and gain 5hp per badge..lol Cmon man, your talking to an avid drag racer and performance shop owner, not some 18 year old fast and furious junkie...2HP is nothing and can be elated to an inconsitancy in the car

No problem.But 2HP is 2HP more by a method the competition doesn't make part of their kit. If the competition averaged 10 HP to the wheels, 2 more HP on the Motordyne spacer is 20% more power and thus 20% more value the competition doesnt offer. Its that simple.
20% is significant in my book. I'm sure you won't care or understand though. ...Why am I explaining this to you?

However, what I am saying, is that the addition of the lower plenum with a 1/2" plenum made no power.

I've never disputed it. It's OK. It is what it is.

But, you used that to launch into several other points where you are completely wrong and have no basis in measurement or fact. You have no analytical skill to support your assertions. Your assertions are incorrect.

I've seen you persistantly rail into others when they had nothing to say to you and you had no reason to gouge them. Stick to shade tree mechanics my friend, you're out of your league here.

What your saying is that the fact that the 1/2" plenum spacer is 3/16" larger than the 5/16" one, that the lower plenum mod does not make great gains with it..So the lower plenum only magically works with the 5/16" spacer then?

You seem to be sticking to the assertion that the machining process doesn't work. Is this true? Are you then disputing the test results generated by NNA and Wired 24/7?

Based on your track record and writings in this thread, its aparent to me you don't really care. You made a blanket assertion that the plenum machining process doesn't work. And you seem to be sticking to that assertion. You're wrong about the maching process and you are wrong about Iso Thermal.

What Dovla and I wrote to eachother doesn't really mean anything to you. Persuasion based on reason or fact are irrelavent at this point...

Selectivly twist, ignore, speculate to false conclusions and hallucinate as you please.

Originally Posted by Hydrazine

Come to think of it. The reason I am sensitive to it is because I don't want to be like many of the other manufacturers.

They pile on the garbage so thick its disgusting. And I dont want anything to do with it.

I want to make only what works and I will do my damned'est to make it the best.