New ARC True Dual Ti. Exhaust Pics!
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
Ur a fool. There are more benefits to this exhaust besides power gains, like weight savings--1/4 the weight of SS. Would you ask the same person who buys a JP body kit or 5k wheels to Justify gains? Go ahead and build ur Z with the cheapest parts out ther and get back to me with how happy you are. If others choose to do different then you, it does not mean that they are "out of their mind"
For the "gains" you achieve by adding this lighter exhaust, you could have spent the money elsewhere to modify the car in a way that drops more weight but also adds rigidity to the body of the car (full roll cage comes to mind). Unless you're so affluently wealthy that you spend money without thought (in which case you did not earn that money or you're just plain irresponsible), or are part of a professional racing team that is trying to pull the last few pounds off of an already hollowed out track car (in which case a custom exhaust would probably be better), there's absolutely no reason to spend $7000 on an exhaust. I don't think anyone in this thread is on a professional racing team with no budget. Even shop built race cars have budgets they must maintain, and they won't use this exhaust because there are better gains to be had elsewhere.
Your argument that he's using the cheapest parts to build his Z is weak. Let me guess, you consider genuine Nismo and Volk Racing parts weak? This ARC exhaust behind an APS Extreme TT kit will basically suck as there are cheaper, and more effective exhausts that simply will flow for enough power to outweigh any weight reduction a full Ti exhaust provides. In the end he may have spent the same amount of money as you, but his car will have twice the power.
And yes, I'd be interested in why someone spent $5k on wheels could justify that expense. Unless they're magnesium/carbon fiber then they're just for bling anyway. The best performing standard forged wheels on the market are in the 3k range.
The way I see all of this ARC exhaust madness is simply wanting a brand name an exuberant amount of money spending money to say "look what I have". It's like buying a $10,000 suit. You don't buy it because it performs better than a $1000 suit, you buy it so you can tell your friends you spent $10,000 on your suit.
Spend your money however you'd like. The more realistic folks in here will always find your purchases amusing.
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
or, is just in a different economic bracket than you are
everyone spends their money as they see fit
everyone spends their money as they see fit
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
or, is just in a different economic bracket than you are
Originally Posted by THE TECH
Everyone has their opinion. To make a comment like that is just tasteless.
Thus, why I made the second part of my post, which you conveniently left out.
Just because its too rich for your (or my) blood, does not mean it's somehow a bad expenditure. It might not be what you would spend your money on, or what I would spend my money on, but to bring out the "haterade" because someone on here felt it was something worth spending their money on, is being completely presumptuous.
Again, people spend their money as they see fit. One could easily have a bit of cooth and say "wow...too rich for my blood but good luck", but no, this community largely chooses the low road instead.
Alot of guys here make a lot of presumptions about others economic status - that, I think, is tasteless.
It's the same discussion as was presented in the Endless thread a couple weeks ago. If the product does not fall into your "must have category", from a "needs", "wants" or "economic" category, that's cool - that doesn't mean it doesn't fall into someone else's. Last I checked Ceasar wasn't sending the bill for this to your house....
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jun 21, 2007 at 08:02 AM.
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
Tasteless? Geez...get the panties out of your crotch for a second. I made no presumptions or insinuations about his particular situation, but merely said that for some of us, a $6700 is alot of money. And for others, it's not.
Thus, why I made the second part of my post, which you conveniently left out.
Just because its too rich for your (or my) blood, does not mean it's somehow a bad expenditure. It might not be what you would spend your money on, or what I would spend my money on, but to bring out the "haterade" because someone on here felt it was something worth spending their money on, is being completely presumptuous.
Again, people spend their money as they see fit. One could easily have a bit of cooth and say "wow...too rich for my blood but good luck", but no, this community largely chooses the low road instead.
Alot of guys here make a lot of presumptions about others economic status - that, I think, is tasteless.
It's the same discussion as was presented in the Endless thread a couple weeks ago. If the product does not fall into your "must have category", from a "needs", "wants" or "economic" category, that's cool - that doesn't mean it doesn't fall into someone else's. Last I checked Ceasar wasn't sending the bill for this to your house....
Thus, why I made the second part of my post, which you conveniently left out.
Just because its too rich for your (or my) blood, does not mean it's somehow a bad expenditure. It might not be what you would spend your money on, or what I would spend my money on, but to bring out the "haterade" because someone on here felt it was something worth spending their money on, is being completely presumptuous.
Again, people spend their money as they see fit. One could easily have a bit of cooth and say "wow...too rich for my blood but good luck", but no, this community largely chooses the low road instead.
Alot of guys here make a lot of presumptions about others economic status - that, I think, is tasteless.
It's the same discussion as was presented in the Endless thread a couple weeks ago. If the product does not fall into your "must have category", from a "needs", "wants" or "economic" category, that's cool - that doesn't mean it doesn't fall into someone else's. Last I checked Ceasar wasn't sending the bill for this to your house....
Originally Posted by taurran
Unless you're so affluently wealthy that you spend money without thought (in which case you did not earn that money or you're just plain irresponsible)
Originally Posted by taurran
The way I see all of this ARC exhaust madness is simply wanting a brand name an exuberant amount of money spending money to say "look what I have". It's like buying a $10,000 suit. You don't buy it because it performs better than a $1000 suit, you buy it so you can tell your friends you spent $10,000 on your suit.
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jun 21, 2007 at 08:08 AM.
Originally Posted by THE TECH
This was a thread about the exhaust, not who has how much or can afford this or that. IMO opinions about the exhaust are fine, but to make comments about the financial situations of members is more of a personal attack.
Again, what someone chooses to do with THEIR money is THEIR business, not yours. Obviously Ceasar can afford it, and thus, wanted it. There are those here who can afford it, and don't want it. And there are those of us here who neither can afford it, nor want it, yet comment about it anyway. Such is life I guess.
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
READ what I posted again. I don't know him, nor do I care about his situation at all. He made a presumptuous statement...I rebutted it with a "rationale" that he, perhaps, had not considered.
Again, what someone chooses to do with THEIR money is THEIR business, not yours. Obviously Ceasar can afford it, and thus, wanted it. There are those here who can afford it, and don't want it. And there are those of us here who neither can afford it, nor want it, yet comment about it anyway. Such is life I guess.
Again, what someone chooses to do with THEIR money is THEIR business, not yours. Obviously Ceasar can afford it, and thus, wanted it. There are those here who can afford it, and don't want it. And there are those of us here who neither can afford it, nor want it, yet comment about it anyway. Such is life I guess.
Originally Posted by THE TECH
As usual, you keep repeating yourself. This thread was not about Cesar, but about an exhaust. I don't care who buys what.
Originally Posted by THE TECH
Everyone has their opinion. To make a comment like that is just tasteless.
Last edited by PikesPeakZ; Jun 21, 2007 at 09:08 AM.
Originally Posted by PikesPeakZ
In Z1's defense your comment was unnecessary. He was replying to buffmanjeff who said anyone spending that much money on an exhaust is out of their mind. So he politely clowned him. Why not jump on buffmanjeff about who can afford it or why spend that much money. Z1 made no reference to anything. Simply a rebutle to a stupid comment. Not taking sides but c'mon.
Originally Posted by CESAROTORRES
Well after waiting for months, ARC failed to build and deliver the exhaust to me. I can not believe that a company like ARC take so long to build and exhaust and have it shipped.
Originally Posted by jonnylaw
What?
Did, Arc state they were not going to build you one, or did you request a refund b/c it was taking so long?
Did, Arc state they were not going to build you one, or did you request a refund b/c it was taking so long?
You're all wrong........none of you can afford this exhaust....
Always remember:
LOL
Always remember:
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
.....ARC don't want to make an exhaust for the Z market cause they know that guys that own Z can't really afford this........
Originally Posted by taurran
Actually I recall a quote - "a fool and his money are easily departed"
For the "gains" you achieve by adding this lighter exhaust, you could have spent the money elsewhere to modify the car in a way that drops more weight but also adds rigidity to the body of the car (full roll cage comes to mind). Unless you're so affluently wealthy that you spend money without thought (in which case you did not earn that money or you're just plain irresponsible), or are part of a professional racing team that is trying to pull the last few pounds off of an already hollowed out track car (in which case a custom exhaust would probably be better), there's absolutely no reason to spend $7000 on an exhaust. I don't think anyone in this thread is on a professional racing team with no budget. Even shop built race cars have budgets they must maintain, and they won't use this exhaust because there are better gains to be had elsewhere.
Your argument that he's using the cheapest parts to build his Z is weak. Let me guess, you consider genuine Nismo and Volk Racing parts weak? This ARC exhaust behind an APS Extreme TT kit will basically suck as there are cheaper, and more effective exhausts that simply will flow for enough power to outweigh any weight reduction a full Ti exhaust provides. In the end he may have spent the same amount of money as you, but his car will have twice the power.
And yes, I'd be interested in why someone spent $5k on wheels could justify that expense. Unless they're magnesium/carbon fiber then they're just for bling anyway. The best performing standard forged wheels on the market are in the 3k range.
The way I see all of this ARC exhaust madness is simply wanting a brand name an exuberant amount of money spending money to say "look what I have". It's like buying a $10,000 suit. You don't buy it because it performs better than a $1000 suit, you buy it so you can tell your friends you spent $10,000 on your suit.
Spend your money however you'd like. The more realistic folks in here will always find your purchases amusing.
For the "gains" you achieve by adding this lighter exhaust, you could have spent the money elsewhere to modify the car in a way that drops more weight but also adds rigidity to the body of the car (full roll cage comes to mind). Unless you're so affluently wealthy that you spend money without thought (in which case you did not earn that money or you're just plain irresponsible), or are part of a professional racing team that is trying to pull the last few pounds off of an already hollowed out track car (in which case a custom exhaust would probably be better), there's absolutely no reason to spend $7000 on an exhaust. I don't think anyone in this thread is on a professional racing team with no budget. Even shop built race cars have budgets they must maintain, and they won't use this exhaust because there are better gains to be had elsewhere.
Your argument that he's using the cheapest parts to build his Z is weak. Let me guess, you consider genuine Nismo and Volk Racing parts weak? This ARC exhaust behind an APS Extreme TT kit will basically suck as there are cheaper, and more effective exhausts that simply will flow for enough power to outweigh any weight reduction a full Ti exhaust provides. In the end he may have spent the same amount of money as you, but his car will have twice the power.
And yes, I'd be interested in why someone spent $5k on wheels could justify that expense. Unless they're magnesium/carbon fiber then they're just for bling anyway. The best performing standard forged wheels on the market are in the 3k range.
The way I see all of this ARC exhaust madness is simply wanting a brand name an exuberant amount of money spending money to say "look what I have". It's like buying a $10,000 suit. You don't buy it because it performs better than a $1000 suit, you buy it so you can tell your friends you spent $10,000 on your suit.
Spend your money however you'd like. The more realistic folks in here will always find your purchases amusing.
If you want to rag on a product for being too expensive--go ahead--but to insult and call fellow forum members "insane" or "out of their mind" for purchasing one (or other high end products) is rude, immature, and entirely unnecessary.
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singalong everyone?
Ceasar - depending on who you ordered from the problem might not even be ARC (though admittedly, sometimes they can be insanely slow...we're waiting on 2 systems as we speak (non dual)
singalong everyone?
Ceasar - depending on who you ordered from the problem might not even be ARC (though admittedly, sometimes they can be insanely slow...we're waiting on 2 systems as we speak (non dual)
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
I've got a quote for you: "Mind your own business."
If you want to rag on a product for being too expensive--go ahead--but to insult and call fellow forum members "insane" or "out of their mind" for purchasing one (or other high end products) is rude, immature, and entirely unnecessary.
If you want to rag on a product for being too expensive--go ahead--but to insult and call fellow forum members "insane" or "out of their mind" for purchasing one (or other high end products) is rude, immature, and entirely unnecessary.