New ARC True Dual Ti. Exhaust Pics!
Originally Posted by plumpzz
^ Just get a video. Ive never heard a titanium exhaust lol. I hope you enjoy it, and like Z1 said, its what you want, so you get it :-D Hope you have some lube :-P
sure you have....you heard my car
Originally Posted by ceddyluv82
Is the grade of titanium any higher then the grades that most competitors use? Even at a 50% profit from manufacturing plant to consumer... I still don't understand how a company can charge that much for an exhaust. It is not like a set of VOLK wheels or BREMBO brakes where the tolerance and specs are MUCH tighter meaning higher quality engineering required. I can understand why they would charge that much. An exhaust system is literally a bunch of bent tubes with flanges and hangers. If the hangers are welded 1/8 of an inch off... who cares noone will notice. Try having that kind of mess up on a wheel or brake kit. A kries-sieg valve tronic exhaust goes for roughly 6K. If you think ARC exhausts are high quality... look at those. Those also have a valve tronic system essentialy giving you two exhaust systems in one. I am a lover of high quality products... otherwise I would be using the copy cat crap parts, or replica garbage kits. This though seams a little too much wanted profit from the manufacturer. May I ask what the warranty is for the ARC exhaust?
I am sure the markup on this is well into the double digits...but that's not really the point.And you are wrong....it is just as engineered as a set of wheels or brakes, just in a different capacity. Each exhaust has to fit the same, yet it's not a mass produced part. That's not an easy thing to achieve. Ti is not easy to work with and is very labor intensive. Not to mention, the equipment required to properly produce such a product is very very expensive...those capital costs all contribute to the final cost of the product. Now to that add that ARC is, by their very definition, a "high end" company, like Gucci, Patek Phillipe, etc., and as such, their products by nature are very expensive.
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Apr 8, 2007 at 10:28 AM.
Originally Posted by Volk350Z
ok well let do this I ask ARC and they said to find out what is reasonable pricing, if is around 2k they can't do full titanium maybe Stainless and titanium.
please reply with a reasonable pricing don't try to say 1k lol..
please reply with a reasonable pricing don't try to say 1k lol..
Did ARC pull some random number (list price) out of a hat......
For instance:
ARC: This exhaust cost us $2,800 to manufacture......
ARC Sales Dept.: What price will we set as MSRP?
ARC: Hold on one sec.....let me pull this random number out of the hat....
ARC Sales Dept.: Waiting......
ARC: $6,800 is the number regardless of the cost to produce.....
ARC Sales Dept.: OK......
Originally Posted by buzzardmountain
I really can't tell....is this ^^^ a serious post?
Did ARC pull some random number (list price) out of a hat......
For instance:
ARC: This exhaust cost us $2,800 to manufacture......
ARC Sales Dept.: What price will we set as MSRP?
ARC: Hold on one sec.....let me pull this random number out of the hat....
ARC Sales Dept.: Waiting......
ARC: $6,800 is the number regardless of the cost to produce.....
ARC Sales Dept.: OK......
Did ARC pull some random number (list price) out of a hat......
For instance:
ARC: This exhaust cost us $2,800 to manufacture......
ARC Sales Dept.: What price will we set as MSRP?
ARC: Hold on one sec.....let me pull this random number out of the hat....
ARC Sales Dept.: Waiting......
ARC: $6,800 is the number regardless of the cost to produce.....
ARC Sales Dept.: OK......
+1
Realistically, the exhaust probably cost around 1600 to produce if they already had facilities to make titanium exhausts, which I'm pretty sure they do. The only reason they make a sweet deal on htis is because very few mass producers have the capability to make full Ti exhausts. JIC does, and look at their exhaust. 1300 for a 9.8 lb piece of pipe. Great deal if you ask me. If ARC mass produced this, it would be in the 3k range.
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
Yeah I hear ya on that one...that was about as bone head of a comment as you can get...especially coming from a distributor.
There are PLENTY of people here who can afford a $6000 widget (name your product), and plenty of people here who have invested 2, 3, 4, 5 times + that into their cars (and who own other modded cars on top of it!). Not the point though in my eyes. At the price point this thing reflects, you are paying for one thing...exclusivity.
There are PLENTY of people here who can afford a $6000 widget (name your product), and plenty of people here who have invested 2, 3, 4, 5 times + that into their cars (and who own other modded cars on top of it!). Not the point though in my eyes. At the price point this thing reflects, you are paying for one thing...exclusivity.
Jacket:
http://www.togged.com/product/B000GS...-RMC-Jeans.htm
Jeans:
http://www.togged.com/product/B000GS...-RMC-Jeans.htm
and i thought for a second.. what will these jeans do for me that a pair of Coogi Jeans won't? 90% of hte people in this world have no idea what Red Monkey is..
this exhaust is exactly the same situation..
Originally Posted by buzzardmountain
I really can't tell....is this ^^^ a serious post?
Did ARC pull some random number (list price) out of a hat......
For instance:
ARC: This exhaust cost us $2,800 to manufacture......
ARC Sales Dept.: What price will we set as MSRP?
ARC: Hold on one sec.....let me pull this random number out of the hat....
ARC Sales Dept.: Waiting......
ARC: $6,800 is the number regardless of the cost to produce.....
ARC Sales Dept.: OK......
Did ARC pull some random number (list price) out of a hat......
For instance:
ARC: This exhaust cost us $2,800 to manufacture......
ARC Sales Dept.: What price will we set as MSRP?
ARC: Hold on one sec.....let me pull this random number out of the hat....
ARC Sales Dept.: Waiting......
ARC: $6,800 is the number regardless of the cost to produce.....
ARC Sales Dept.: OK......
exp: 1500-2000 then they make make a full stainless version
2500-3000 maybe half ti and half stainless version..
but if you want Full Titanium then that's the price, cause all the japanese consumer at fine with that price. They sold 15 -20 of that exhaust Japan already so msrp is set.
Cesar is the ONLY guy i know who always goes ***** deep when it comes to getting top notch quality with his car.
He's a friggin baller, lol.
I couldn't believe an acutal local would buy this exhaust. Cesar, come to a meet one day so we can all listen to it and drool.
BTW: Quit buging Brian
Everybody has their own taste and wallets. Brian is another who is a believer in top notch quality and making a point that this product was solely made by request. He knows his ****. He doesn't need to make a name for ARC. It has it's own. Questioning ARC quality is a no brainer and no contender. It was a prototype and the welds weren't 100% functional so what? It does not make ARC final product any inferior...
He's a friggin baller, lol.
I couldn't believe an acutal local would buy this exhaust. Cesar, come to a meet one day so we can all listen to it and drool.
BTW: Quit buging Brian
Everybody has their own taste and wallets. Brian is another who is a believer in top notch quality and making a point that this product was solely made by request. He knows his ****. He doesn't need to make a name for ARC. It has it's own. Questioning ARC quality is a no brainer and no contender. It was a prototype and the welds weren't 100% functional so what? It does not make ARC final product any inferior...
Originally Posted by AFitchTLS
What about a True dual half/half version of the way it is now but in 70-77mm piping w/ 115mm tips in the $2500-3000 range?
I will ask to see if they can make a stainless steel piping and titanium mufller exhasut...
Originally Posted by plumpzz
Realistically, the exhaust probably cost around 1600 to produce if they already had facilities to make titanium exhausts, which I'm pretty sure they do. The only reason they make a sweet deal on htis is because very few mass producers have the capability to make full Ti exhausts. JIC does, and look at their exhaust. 1300 for a 9.8 lb piece of pipe. Great deal if you ask me. If ARC mass produced this, it would be in the 3k range.
Originally Posted by Zexy
Cesar is the ONLY guy i know who always goes ***** deep when it comes to getting top notch quality with his car.
He's a friggin baller, lol.
I couldn't believe an acutal local would buy this exhaust. Cesar, come to a meet one day so we can all listen to it and drool.
BTW: Quit buging Brian Everybody has their own taste and wallets. Brian is another who is a believer in top notch quality and making a point that this product was solely made by request. He knows his ****. He doesn't need to make a name for ARC. It has it's own. Questioning ARC quality is a no brainer and no contender. It was a prototype and the welds weren't 100% functional so what? It does not make ARC final product any inferior...
He's a friggin baller, lol.
I couldn't believe an acutal local would buy this exhaust. Cesar, come to a meet one day so we can all listen to it and drool.
BTW: Quit buging Brian
Everybody has their own taste and wallets. Brian is another who is a believer in top notch quality and making a point that this product was solely made by request. He knows his ****. He doesn't need to make a name for ARC. It has it's own. Questioning ARC quality is a no brainer and no contender. It was a prototype and the welds weren't 100% functional so what? It does not make ARC final product any inferior...I hope you are doing ok, long time no see. All my Z brother (OZOC.org) in Orlando Fl will listen to it, I promise
)Take care
Cesar
Last edited by CESAROTORRES; Apr 9, 2007 at 04:10 AM.
http://www.intensepower.com/soarctiex35.html
check out the options on the link
axle back is 2,325
y pipe back +330
cat back +4416
thats one hell of an expensive y pipe
so really this exhaust could be had for $3100 to $3200 with a non arc y pipe which nobody can see anyway, and i doubt that this $4500 y pipe performs much (if any) better than the $400-$500 ones from jic, fujitsubo, tanabe, etc
damn, $4500 for a y pipe, ****s crazy
check out the options on the link
axle back is 2,325
y pipe back +330
cat back +4416
thats one hell of an expensive y pipe
so really this exhaust could be had for $3100 to $3200 with a non arc y pipe which nobody can see anyway, and i doubt that this $4500 y pipe performs much (if any) better than the $400-$500 ones from jic, fujitsubo, tanabe, etc
damn, $4500 for a y pipe, ****s crazy
Originally Posted by drumma022
That tells me that the catback exhaust is a different design from the Y-pipe back exhaust ... NOT that the y-pipe itself is $4500.
it still comes down to the y pipe basically costing 4500 cause there will practically no difference between a cat back arc or a y pipe back arc with a nice different brand y pipe
or u can get a custom made y pipe from burns or somthing and have even a higher quality product and still prolly cheaper
