You are already caught red handed Rob.

Vindicate yourself.

Answer the questions.


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OK

1) 3
2) Brian RI somewhere (he met me at work), Some ******** named Dave from Framingham MA (that's where I met him and waited and waited) and lastly from Darrin AZ
3) as above

Ok.................... tell me where you take your Zero when you machine the tops off the runners? Secondly, how do you compensate for the terrible rough castings from Nissan with regards to the machining of them. I can assure you no two are the same. You do remove the flash from the front of the runner entrance area correct? How is this achieved. The two side cuts or it looks like grinds, hopefully not hand held grinder. How far in? How deep do you go? What about the runner section. Are these the same in my MERV2 as City's or anyone else's? If all of these things can not be held to close tolerances how can you say that they will give everyone the results you state. Maybe someone gets a crappy casting (no fault of yours). What about where she meets up with the upper or the runners going down to the heads. Maybe I was just that lucky to get the ***** and you guys got the gold. My luck. Hey I know............. lets get rid of the other factors and bench test the plenums. That will tell how each one is, shouldn't it? So many questions................

Your turn

 

This is some fun huh? Go ahead and tell them what I do for a living. That will really stir the pot. Sorry I went out of turn.

 

You have been Caught in more lies.

Answer the ALL the questions once again. Truthfully this time.


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You know what Tony................. I grow tired of this. If you don't like what I say. OH WELL What more do you want? "I want the truth" If telling you I bought it second hand doesn't hold water with you then what do I say??? I'm at a loss. If you'd like me to say I ripped off everyone here for all their MREV2's to stop the stupidity, Just say it!!!! If you want me not to tell the dimensions of your plenum just say it. If you don't want people to know I'm a machinist with over 23 years experience............ nah forget that. Could I have made it?? You're F'in right I could have. If you want to make them for people, well I like my option better thanks. That's it, I'm done. I will not respond to you ever again and if people think I'm a dick, so be it!!! You have a great life and I wish you all the luck in the world! Good Friggin Bye!!!!

 

No offense, I don't want to get into this argument, but he's an Engineer, and you're a Machinist. I'm sure his design has more to do with thermodynamics rather than looking pretty (fit & finish).

All I know is that Tony is a great person, with a great product, & most importantly, great customer service. I can 100% say that I am happy with his product.

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wtf does that have to do with this accusation?

still no proof with any remote measurements that these are fakes.

as a matter of fact the accuser doesn't even have their hands on a single one of these plenums yet to prove that they're fake...

again, no stamp or number to show that any MREV2s are authentic is the real problem here... it's one man's word against another's.

in my mind you're innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

 

Read. Look at the last two posts. He's criticising Tony on the quality & design of the product. Please, read.

Better question is, why are you here being the lawyer?

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because this forum and others likes to jump on the bandwagon to accuse people of this scam and another scam. it's easy to get on the mob mentality and blame blae blame.

it happens all day long and more often than not when a premier member or long time member is blamed for something this incvredible there is a reasonable explanation.

how many times have you guys seen a "oh man this guy took my money and never sent me the product" conversation ended with "I had a last minute emergency and had to go out of town". plenty of times.

rebelinRI is not some drive by salesman trying to hock his products. he's been a contributing member here for a long long time. he's always answered questions openly and asked questions about "why" openly.

at the end of the day most of the reputable members of this forum (including Rob) have a legitimate reason for things happening the way they do. everyone else here just wants to jump on and say "oh tony is a great guy so rob must be lying"

I say an accusation and a generalization on a photograph do not make the accusation true.

with regards to machining and experience, would you expect the architect of your home to build it for you or would you find a carpenter to do the job? does Tony go through and machine every one of his MREV2s or does he have a machinist do it to his specs? what's wrong with one person criticizing another's handiwork? as in anything, a machined item will have imperfections and an experienced individual may notice these things more often than the rest of us.

his criticism of the product is from personal experience and if anything is fair grounds although no dynos to back this up, of course, make it hold little to no water hence rob looking for MREV2s to prove his skepticism of the product.

 

Can't explain away your actions RebelinRI?

Here is what you elluded to so far.

1) You have a whole lot of lower plenums in your basement.
2) You are an experienced machinist.
3) You are completely familiar with Zero points, flash and variability of the plenum.
4) You bought a real MREV2 from Intense.
5) You have machined MREV2's for your own car.
6) You sold a supposed MREV2 to Citymunky
7) You offered an immediate refund to Citymunky the moment he complained about it and only after the fact.
8) Your statements to the Admin on G35driver and the ones you made here are at odds.
9) There are others you sold supposed MREV2's to, but you don't mention them here.
10) You told the Admin some guy on MY350Z.com sold you the fake MREV2 that you re-posted in the classified section.
11) You now blame another different guy for selling you a bogus MREV2 that you resold to Citymunky.

Waaay too many coincidences. Caught in too many lies. Caught selling junk to Citymunky and immediatly offering a total refund to Citymunky after the fact.

And you can't answer for your actions. Not here and not on G35driver.

 

I never accused anyone of anything. All I have said is the fact that Tony is a great guy, and he knows what he's doing. He has the credentials (Engineering) & support of this whole community as far as how and if his products work and do what they are suppose to do. RebelinRI was criticizing his design & finish of the MREV2, but like I said before, im sure its more of thermodynamics than anything else. Which is why I brough up the Engineering thing. I was not trying to downplay RebelinRI only because he's a machinist and not an engineer.

I don't know RebelinRI. I'm not going to back him or accuse him of anything because im not really here to do that. I'd rather stay out of this argument.

This whole ordeal is not about one man criticizing another man's work, its about ethics & fraud. But like I said before, I am not accusing RebelinRI nor backing him up, since i'm staying away from the argument.

I'm finished here since I really don't want to get involved in this situation. Tony, best of luck in resolving this issue.

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Thank you.

I hope it is properly resolved too. What has happened here is not right at all.

 

I'm going to post up my own recent personal story. This has nothing to do with ReblinRI so take it for what's it worth. This is more to backup Tony's credibility and his ability to spot a fake and to also show it's very possible that people are selling fakes out there.

So about 2 weeks ago I bought a supposed used MREV2 from a member here who will be unamed thus far. And yes, the seller did cleary advertise it as a "MREV2". I asked this person for proof and he sent me a copy of his Motordyne invoice. Fair enough, so I pulled the trigger on it. Got the item and it looked okay. Inspected it closer and ran my fingers through the runners. To my surprise there was a lot of dust and fine metallic shavings. If the piece just came off of the sellers car why would it have metallic shavings?

I got suspicious and immediately contacted Tony. I sent him a lot of detailed, good, clear pics of the piece. Right away he said it was a good fake but could cleary notice differences or lack thereof. Tony also said the invoice I was sent from the seller was real. Knowing this I contacted the seller, informed him about my conversation with Tony, and demanded a really good explanation or a full refund with extra for shipping the item back. The seller did not even refute my claim or come up with some excuse. The best he could say is that it was practically the same thing as a real MREV2 and for a cheaper price. Basically he admitted to it being a fake. The seller immediately refunded my money + extra for shipping.

What really gets me is people trying to use Tony's brand name to ilegally sell their fake products and then the people such as myself getting scammed. Luckily I was alert enough to be suspicous and was lucky that Tony was willing to help someone that wasn't even a customer at the time. Needless to say after I got my refund I immediately ordered the real thing from Tony and got it 2 days later. There's a reason Tony and Motordyne is highly regarded in this community and it's not just blind band wagon jumping. The quality products and geat customer service are very real. I'm done.

 

Civic, why should Tony have to prove that the ones pictured by Rebel are fakes? I think after years of R&D he would know if they were fake or not just by looking at them.

It is clear from Rebel's posts that he doesn't want to answer any questions. He started a bunch of threads claiming someone's product doesn't work but can't back it up with any proof. Tell me, who is being accused here?

 

Dklau33, Bugsbunny or anyone with a MREV2 for that matter. Hmmmm. Well. Particularly if you havn't already installed it. I won't ask you to open up your already installed plenums.

Any body with a MREV2 that isn't installed yet.

If you are able to take a picture of your MREV2, take several pictures of it and send it to any one of the moderators or admin here so that they may compare a picture of your MREV2 against Rebels pictures.

I'm taking several pictures of several real MREV2's first thing tomorrow morning and sending it to Admin for their review and comparison.

Citymunky will also be sending in several pictures of his fake. Others are doing the same as Citymunky too.

The truth will be revealed.

Tony

PS - Thank you guys! It is greatly appreciated.

 

Yo Tony,
My MREV2 is currently off of my z and is sitting in my basement, which admin do you want me to send pics too?

PM if you like.

Cheers,
church

 

simple, he made the accusation that they were counterfeit.

 

i think you're talking about the same one i was looking at buying, i was also sent the invoice for "proof". i couldn't pull the trigger in the end on this, too worried about fakes, and glad i didn't now. i ended up buying straight from Tony and i am worry free! glad you got your money back though!

 

Just post them here. At least it will satisfy NavyGolf... I mean Civic.

Thanks.

 

Navygolf... LMAO! That was a good one Tony! :-) from the old VRT threads!