hey phatz33, just curious. do u have any issues like my xo2? i have been trying to contact the seller, but their response is really slow. thx

 

this is true but at ~$1300 I would say the hks is made of high quality stainless steel that would be very durable when it comes to oxidation. They may advertise its stainless but it just seems to be such poor quality, not only with rust but fitting issues as well ^^.

 

other than the right hanging about an inch lower than the left, mine had no problem yet

 

You can have fitment issues with any exhaust, it has happened with several I have owned, from people like greddy and apex'i. It's easy to fix the fitment issue, just requires bending the hanger to get it to sit in the right place. The price doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be made of better quality stainless. Like I said, as far as I see they both use SUS 304, which is the same grade, there are standards, you just can't call anything SUS 304. With HKS a lot of what you pay for is the name, and the titanium alloy tips. Abercrombie and fitch is a lot more expensive than places like old navy, does it mean they use a better quality material? No, they charge more for the name.

Besides, not sure why there is this whole 'zomg look at all the xo2s rust out' going around, this is one person who had problems with rusting. And 2 weeks in wet/salty conditions is going to make a lot of stainless rust. Although I just went out and took a look at my (xo2) exhaust, which has been in similar conditions for about 1.5-2 weeks and I have 0 issues with rust.

I don't care if you buy the HKS or the xo2, I preferred the xo2 over the HKS because I thought it sounded better. Plus being less than half the price didn't hurt, but it was all about the sound for me. I don't understand why there are so many people who have such a problem with the xo2, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Not sure why so many of the HKS owners have to talk down to those who bought the xo2.

 

I think there may be variations in owner's experience with the "X02" bc there are now "knockoffs" of the x02 being sold as well, especially on ebay. This may contribute to the variation in quality?

 

Ummmm, because those in the know, know it's a crappy exhaust... On par with megan.

 

But once again, WHY DO YOU CARE? Why does it concern you so much with my choice of exhaust? Fine, you think it's crappy and a POS, but if you haven't figured it out yet, neither I nor the majority of xo2 owners give a flying fuc*. You're happy with your HKS, fine, wont catch me giving you any **** for that, it's your car. I like the xo2, and many others like the xo2, it shouldn't concern you. And please don't try to tell me I'm not "in the know" because I chose xo2 instead of buying the HKS.

 

Is it possible for you owners of the x02 to just buy replacement tips?

As for whether the exhaust is crap, I don't think you should knock on this exhaust and say it's crap. As you know, exhaust's have minimal gains unless FI. Quality wise,brand name may be better, but the results are minimal. I would take an x02 over and hks just because of the minimal gains you would get from either. Why spend the extra if you aren't getting that much more. Now if there were replacement tips you could buy, then even more so x02!

 

I think you're taking this a little too personally. We're just saying xo2 is a crappy exhaust best to be avoided. Just calling a spade, a spade. We're not saying you personally suck because you thought you could cut corners with the xo2 to save a buck.

Some of us value quality. Others don't.

 

I wanted to chime in again. Why would this exhaust be crappy? Is it just due to the tips not looking as good and the rust? If you think about it, how many people have purchased this exhaust? Probably hundreds. There are only a handful who have had problems. Either the others aren't suffering or they don't post the problems. Until 75% of the exhausts are defective, I don't think they should be called crappy

 

exactly.

 

I'm not taking it personally, I'm just sick and tired of you shi*ting on every single xo2 thread, saying the exhaust is crap and people shouldn't buy it despite the fact people who OWN it are satisfied with it. You have looked down upon us who bought xo2, because we are ricers who couldn't afford the HKS, you made that very clear in the other thread.

You show one case of an exhaust getting rusted in conditions where a LOT of stainless would rust and you call it a pos. Yet many of us are satisfied with the product we bought, and have experienced 0 issues with it, even in similar conditions. Pointing out one product is not sufficient to call it crap, if it were then HKS should be put in the same category because of their "bad batch."

 

The x02 uses a lesser grade of 304 Stainless than the HKS it tries to immitate. Much lesser. Plus it uses thinner gauge inferior stainless and inferior welds, which will make it even more prone to cracking & breaking (especially when it starts rusting)~

There are three main catagories of 304 stainless.
Each catagory has several different grades & gauges.

1) 304
2) 304 H
3) 304 L

Trying to compare the xo2 knockoff to real name brands like HKS and Greddy is simply immature & uneducated.

There are many threads on this board pointing out the terrible quality of xo2. And now, apparently, there are even cheaper knockoffs of this xo2 knockoff which make the quality issues even worse. Because, how do you know if you got an authentic bad quality xo2, or an even worse quality knockoff than the xo2? If you want that style of exhaust, just man-up (or woman-up) and get a real HKS.

 

Stop dodging my question. Show me PROOF that the HKS is some other grade of SUS 304, and not the same SUS 304 that the xo2 is, because all the research I have done has pointed to them using the exact same grade SUS 304. You are just saying that they don't use the same grade, but you really have no clue, or anything to back it up.

You claim it's inferior because the stainless is thinner, where has this caused a problem? Please point me in the direction of all the people who have had problems with this on their xo2 exhaust.

You said the welds are shitty, and I took a look at the welds on the exhaust when I got it, and there was nothing shitty looking about the welds. But please give us some facts about the welds that make them inferior, or is just because the welds weren't made by HKS and HKS is the only company who knows how to weld?

I have owned this exhaust for over 6 months and 20k+ miles in rain, snow, salt and have yet to experience a single problem that you mention above. I have no rust, I have no failing welds, and I have no cracking on the exhaust.

 

Proof you ask? Behold the terrible quality of inferior xo2 stainless steel and welds.

Look at those rusty cans and welds... Those welds will break prematurely, and all because you thought the xo2 was "as good" as a real HKS, and you thought you could save a buck. lol~

I bet your gf wears a CZ ring you bought her instead of a real diamond, because you thought CZ was "as good" as real Diamond. Pathetic.

 

LOL, and I'm the one taking tis personally? Like I said before pointing out one exhaust does not men all of them are like that. Nor does it prove that they are different grades of stainless. Please show me somewhere that says HKS is SUS 304 xyz and xo2 is SUS304 shitty edition, because with all the looking I have done they have both shown to be regular SUS 304. How do you discount all the rest of us who have xo2 exhausts but have experienced no such failures? My exhaust is dirty, but looks fine, and it has been wet and salty for quite some time. So since the xo2 is such a shitty exhaust, you should be able to point to multiple occurences of exhausts failing and rusting out overnight. So if you could go ahead and show me those threads it would be appreciated. ALL I have ever tried to get from you was to debate the facts, but you couldn't in the other thread, just like you can't in this one.

 

Lol~ Sounds good. Since you want to debate 'facts' now - Please show us one picture of any HKS having any rust on it anywhere, and we can have our grand debate then... Patiently waits.

Until then, I have shown proof in the above pics that the xo2 uses an inferior grade of steel. Probably not even stainless.

 

LOL debate the facts now? I've been calling you out on the facts for weeks now, only now do you have ANYTHING on your side, and it's a single person. Don't play that game with me.

Like I said even if it did rust this is ONE exhaust it has happened to, it doesn't mean that all the exhausts will have the same problem. I will use my exhaust for example, there is zero rust on it and I haven't washed it for 3 weeks, and it has got salt alllll over it. If the xo2 was so inferior and such a POS I should be experiencing what this other fella is...but I'm not. Just because it hasn't happened to yours does not mean it can't happen. ALL stainless steel will rust, so saying this one rusted and yours didnt doesn't cut it.

You've made a lot of accusations about the xo2, but have yet to back up anything with any sort of support. You claim the welds are shitty and will fail, for the laymen how about you explain why the welds are shitty. You said the stainless is too thin, so please show us examples where the stainless has fatigued and failed as a result. I don't think anyone with an xo2 has had any problems with cracked welds? Why must I be the only person who provides any sort of evidence? You are trashing the product, so the least you could do is provide proof, besides making an example of a single problem. If everyone went by your logic I should go around and say HKS is a crappy product because they let out a shipment of exhausts that had ****ed up h-pipes, that affected a lot more people than just this single guy who had problems with some rust on his xo2.

 

Sigh... Nice back-peddle Push. We can always count on that. Let me call you out yet again since you conveniently missed it all the other times - Please show us one picture of any HKS having any rust on it anywhere, and we can have our grand debate then... Patiently waits.

Until then, I have shown proof in the above pics that the xo2 uses an inferior grade of steel. Probably not even stainless.

Here's another pic of xo2's terrible quality. I'm thinking that's definitely not stainless. Would you actually want that thing on your car?

 

So like explain the countless other people using x02 and x02 knockoffs that are not rusting (including me)? I have had multiple shops under my car and they always tell me how nice a system it is. So stop getting your jollies off dumping hateraid on people for making different decisions than you. And the only reason you have a real diamond is because your a$$ is wound so tight you squeezed one out.