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Originally posted by Mr. Potato Head
The proper way to acheive the desirable oversteer characteristic is not to remove something that serves another purpose, but to change the parts that directly affect that characteristic. Install bigger rear swaybars or wider front tires, etc. Don't compromise.
The proper way to acheive the desirable oversteer characteristic is not to remove something that serves another purpose, but to change the parts that directly affect that characteristic. Install bigger rear swaybars or wider front tires, etc. Don't compromise.
Doesn't sound like much honestly... Let's add bigger this, bigger that... more weight here, more weight there. Seriously, do enlighten me with what experience you have to warrant your claims. FIX the end that is screwed... don't add here and add there trying to fix an already existant problem.
Oh, btw... all the guys adding WIDER front tires to their stock setup STILL push!
As for high speed stability... I was shooting 136+ down the straights FELT great! More so ran 150+ down the interstate on the way back to TN... STILL AS STABLE AS STOCK.
Geeez tater... ur killing me here...
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Originally posted by little_rod
Potato, I was talking about the rear strut bar. I do know the difference between the two, and I was refering to the strut bars. I know that it is hard to get to, but there has to be some way to strengthen the rear strut bar. I would rather tighten the rear than loosen the front. Of course, the only solution I can see right now that semi-accomplishes this is a stronger rear sway bar (as far as understeer). As far as a stiffer rear, I guess there is no solution (ie. stiffer rear strut bar).
Potato, I was talking about the rear strut bar. I do know the difference between the two, and I was refering to the strut bars. I know that it is hard to get to, but there has to be some way to strengthen the rear strut bar. I would rather tighten the rear than loosen the front. Of course, the only solution I can see right now that semi-accomplishes this is a stronger rear sway bar (as far as understeer). As far as a stiffer rear, I guess there is no solution (ie. stiffer rear strut bar).
Remember, if you want to do this right... stiffen down low. You will NEVER feel the difference in a strut tower bar, unless you're out on a road course with r compounds. Stock rubber just DOES NOT create enough rolling friction to enduce a great enough load on the chassis for that much flex to be noticable.
What you WILL notice is the suspension geometry. USE of a swaybar can drastically change the way a suspension acts. The best swaybars I've gotten the chance to play with have adjustable end-links. Dial it in tight and enjoy the push... loosen it up (thus decreasing the effect of the bar) and hang on as the *** WILL come around.
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Originally posted by Evil350z
Per this comment... mind I ask how much TRACK experience you have?
Doesn't sound like much honestly... Let's add bigger this, bigger that... more weight here, more weight there. Seriously, do enlighten me with what experience you have to warrant your claims. FIX the end that is screwed... don't add here and add there trying to fix an already existant problem.
Oh, btw... all the guys adding WIDER front tires to their stock setup STILL push!
As for high speed stability... I was shooting 136+ down the straights FELT great! More so ran 150+ down the interstate on the way back to TN... STILL AS STABLE AS STOCK.
Geeez tater... ur killing me here...
Per this comment... mind I ask how much TRACK experience you have?
Doesn't sound like much honestly... Let's add bigger this, bigger that... more weight here, more weight there. Seriously, do enlighten me with what experience you have to warrant your claims. FIX the end that is screwed... don't add here and add there trying to fix an already existant problem.
Oh, btw... all the guys adding WIDER front tires to their stock setup STILL push!
As for high speed stability... I was shooting 136+ down the straights FELT great! More so ran 150+ down the interstate on the way back to TN... STILL AS STABLE AS STOCK.
Geeez tater... ur killing me here...
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Originally posted by Evil350z
The rear is stiff enough as it is... "up top"...
Remember, if you want to do this right... stiffen down low. You will NEVER feel the difference in a strut tower bar, unless you're out on a road course with r compounds. Stock rubber just DOES NOT create enough rolling friction to enduce a great enough load on the chassis for that much flex to be noticable.
What you WILL notice is the suspension geometry. USE of a swaybar can drastically change the way a suspension acts. The best swaybars I've gotten the chance to play with have adjustable end-links. Dial it in tight and enjoy the push... loosen it up (thus decreasing the effect of the bar) and hang on as the *** WILL come around.
The rear is stiff enough as it is... "up top"...
Remember, if you want to do this right... stiffen down low. You will NEVER feel the difference in a strut tower bar, unless you're out on a road course with r compounds. Stock rubber just DOES NOT create enough rolling friction to enduce a great enough load on the chassis for that much flex to be noticable.
What you WILL notice is the suspension geometry. USE of a swaybar can drastically change the way a suspension acts. The best swaybars I've gotten the chance to play with have adjustable end-links. Dial it in tight and enjoy the push... loosen it up (thus decreasing the effect of the bar) and hang on as the *** WILL come around.
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Just curious, why is the front strut tower bar there on a stock Z anyway? I mean, if even an ultra thick one vs. none at all doesn't even show a noticeable difference off of R compounds. I mean, I know car companies like to have understeer stock for legal purposes, but if it dosen't do anything.... I guess it provides about as much cornering ability as the aero wing provides downforce, eh? aesthetics.
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lock pls....
i keep coming back to this thread looking for updates on the "new aluminum intake manifold plenum" but all i see are rants and raves about suspension setups.... =\\\\\
i keep coming back to this thread looking for updates on the "new aluminum intake manifold plenum" but all i see are rants and raves about suspension setups.... =\\\\\
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Originally posted by eskimo
Just curious, why is the front strut tower bar there on a stock Z anyway? I mean, if even an ultra thick one vs. none at all doesn't even show a noticeable difference off of R compounds. I mean, I know car companies like to have understeer stock for legal purposes, but if it dosen't do anything.... I guess it provides about as much cornering ability as the aero wing provides downforce, eh? aesthetics.
Just curious, why is the front strut tower bar there on a stock Z anyway? I mean, if even an ultra thick one vs. none at all doesn't even show a noticeable difference off of R compounds. I mean, I know car companies like to have understeer stock for legal purposes, but if it dosen't do anything.... I guess it provides about as much cornering ability as the aero wing provides downforce, eh? aesthetics.
No don't lock this thread on our account. Keep it open for discussion of LSD's intake. I am done posting about suspension and I hope others are too. Let's get back on topic. I agree. It wouln't be fair to LSDunique to close thread. In the length of this thread only a page or two are wasted. Keep it open.
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Well, I like things stiff in my car for the street cause I plan on having my car for a long time. Maybe the 350evo with there adjustability will solve the problem of understeer with setting the fronts to med and rear to firm.
As for the strut bar, well, I am sure the replacement by Crawford is fine too. Appears to be a quality piece. If I bought the Crawford, I would buy their strut bar. I wouldn't run without a strut bar, but that is just me.
As for the strut bar, well, I am sure the replacement by Crawford is fine too. Appears to be a quality piece. If I bought the Crawford, I would buy their strut bar. I wouldn't run without a strut bar, but that is just me.
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Originally posted by Mr. Potato Head
You even said Doug said, fix the end that is having the problem.
You even said Doug said, fix the end that is having the problem.
Our car PLOWS... Please start understanding this. Remove the plow first, THEN focus somewhere else.
Originally posted by Mr. Potato Head
It just amazes me how you guys dance around that fact. If nothing has changed with your high speed stability or other parts of your handling characteristics, I can't be convinced that removing the bar has changed any over/under steer condidtion. Anyways, who cares really.
It just amazes me how you guys dance around that fact. If nothing has changed with your high speed stability or other parts of your handling characteristics, I can't be convinced that removing the bar has changed any over/under steer condidtion. Anyways, who cares really.
I will NOT tell you which runs have the front strut tower bar, and which ones don't.
I GUARANTEE YOU that you will NOT be able to tell the difference.(I'll bet my OWN Z on this)
There is no debating it... I'm **** about the way my car handles. I was VERY against taking the bar off. Then I just DID it. I can't tell a DAMN bit of difference.
Furthermore to end this... saying I like to debate? Not really... I just have something against your negativity on this board. As does a LOAD of other members. The reason I'm speaking up is because of the LOADS of INACCURATE information you are saying and uninformed owners here on the boards are reading it thinking you're correct. Just remember, when you're right... I haven't said a word.
On that note... end of suspension discussion.
Back to the plenum!
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No you just don't reply unless it involves headers, plenums, STB's, hi flow cats or other things Crawford makes. That is what I have noticed and if you think my posts are negative then you simply don't understand my sense of humor. Some do, some don't. I am def. not changing for you or anyone. As far as being wrong, I beg to differ, obviously. A philosophy different from yours does not warrant bad information. Done here.
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You nice boys need to settle down. They served my rice pudding in a Crawford plenum at the old folks home tonight. It went down fast and smooth.
Mr. Potato Head - you named yourself aptly.
P.S. -- I found my teeth. Raceboy was the culprit. He rode off on his go-kart with them.
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P.S. -- I found my teeth. Raceboy was the culprit. He rode off on his go-kart with them.
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Originally posted by gurgenpb01
so any news on the new plenum ? Are the Dyno's out or did I miss them?
Gurgen
so any news on the new plenum ? Are the Dyno's out or did I miss them?
Gurgen
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Re Mr. PH post earlier: it made perfect sense to me: the Crawford is potentially an inferior product to the lsd plenum. It's also a potentially superior product. His point was, and it makes sense to me, we don't know yet whether it's better or worse. The Crawford rocks. Will the lsd plenum rock more, or less? We don't know...
The strut tower bar is there for structural rigidity. It's not there for understeer or oversteer purposes. It's there to make the chassis stiffer. This results in crisper, more precise handling response, and less squeaks and jiggles over time as the car ages.
If you want to balance under/oversteer, do so by adjusting your anti-roll bars. As for Crawford's strut bar vs. Nissan's? I don't care, they'll both work fine. If I have to replace the strut bar to get the benefits of the Crawford plenum, then I'll replace it.
OK, now back to the lsd plenum, please...
The strut tower bar is there for structural rigidity. It's not there for understeer or oversteer purposes. It's there to make the chassis stiffer. This results in crisper, more precise handling response, and less squeaks and jiggles over time as the car ages.
If you want to balance under/oversteer, do so by adjusting your anti-roll bars. As for Crawford's strut bar vs. Nissan's? I don't care, they'll both work fine. If I have to replace the strut bar to get the benefits of the Crawford plenum, then I'll replace it.
OK, now back to the lsd plenum, please...
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First of all this is the worst thread ever. Ok, maybe not ever but it's pretty bad.
I spent all that time reading 10 pages of this stuff and now at page 10 I know exactly what was on page 1. Ugh. New plenum, no dynoes yet, no pricing, no dates..... all very helpful.
And we had 7 pages of strut bar controversy to boot.
I spent all that time reading 10 pages of this stuff and now at page 10 I know exactly what was on page 1. Ugh. New plenum, no dynoes yet, no pricing, no dates..... all very helpful.
And we had 7 pages of strut bar controversy to boot.
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Originally posted by wileecoyte
First of all this is the worst thread ever. Ok, maybe not ever but it's pretty bad.
I spent all that time reading 10 pages of this stuff and now at page 10 I know exactly what was on page 1. Ugh. New plenum, no dynoes yet, no pricing, no dates..... all very helpful.
And we had 7 pages of strut bar controversy to boot.
First of all this is the worst thread ever. Ok, maybe not ever but it's pretty bad.
I spent all that time reading 10 pages of this stuff and now at page 10 I know exactly what was on page 1. Ugh. New plenum, no dynoes yet, no pricing, no dates..... all very helpful.
And we had 7 pages of strut bar controversy to boot.