you say it runs cooler?
id very much doubt you could even measure the difference properly even it was cooler
the only reason the stock one is hot is from the throttle body warmer.
its there to decrease warm up time so for example ive removed it on my race car

As for it being 15lbs lighter, sure that would be nice but no race team would ever give up 5-10hp for 15lbs lol

 

The manifold is not a waste of money. For a person with more boltons than me or maybe a rev up motor and is revving the motor to 7200rpm, they will see gains. I hate to see a vendor get bashed on the forums for making a product. I guess when China starts copying this manifold and selling them for $300 then it won't be a waste of money.

 

300$ to make power only after 7200 rpm is a waste for most people.

 

What vendor?

I still think going with this particular design was a bad idea, considering the Kinetix one never showed any significant results (or even positive for that matter, iirc).

 

i think its great that new people are trying to make new intakes but this was just full of claims and not facts
now finally we see its worse than a spacer.
as for making more than 7200rpm, thats an assumption.

 

Do not purchase anything from this guy. He is now claiming I damaged the manifold and is refusing to refund my $700 deposit. I paid a $700 deposit and we agreed I could return the manifold for a refund if the manifold didn't work or if the manifold didn't make any horse power. (I have email proof)

First the manifold would not work on my car. It has two major design flaws that I had to work around in order to get it to work. First the oem nissan gasket rivets made contact with the flange. That means whomever designed the flange didnt take into account the revits. If I use the oem gasket, it would torque down the revits and not the gasket. This was discovered by Ben at CIN motorsports before we even installed the manifold. The manifold came with an oem gasket. So I had to use a motordyne gasket CIN had in stock. The manifold then had cracks in the runners which caused leaks and the car would not idle. So the manifold was uninstalled. I took pictures of these cracks.

I was then left with 3 options, silicon seal it for a temp fix, have it rewelded, or send it back to builder. I called Chris Nelson and told him the manifold had cracks and will not work. I told him the three options. He said the manifold was stress tested and ran on their "race car" at track events. LIE NUMBER 1. How could it have been tested on your race car when the manifold was completed the day it shipped out? Chris told me the throttle plate had just been welded on and he shipped it out right after that. LIE NUMBER 2.......you dont have a race car.

So the manifold was sealed up temporarily just so I could get some dyno numbers. Manifold didn't make any power, anywhere in the power band, NONE. I drove the car home took manifold off and noticed even more cracks. Sent manifold out on 9/7, he got it 9/9 and today 9/12 he claims the manifold was damaged beyond repair and I am out $700. He states the cracks are from me using the OEM gasket he provided and torquing the flange down on the revits. Yes somehow I am at fault for using a gasket they provided with their own product. Here is the kicker.......I didnt use their gasket. I used a motordyne gasket that doesn't have revits!! I have pictures to prove this! He also claims manifold was damaged during shipping. I returned the manifold in the same box and packaged the same way it was delivered to CIN's shop.

End of the day, I have pictures and emails to prove everything.

 

oooh juicy.


that really sucks man, hopefully you get it all sorted out.

 

cracks



rivet overlapping the flange. This is the oem gasket they provided by the way.



gasket i used


solid red is oem manifold with spacer, dashed red is their manifold. Made no hp gains at all

 

Sorry, that sucks.


/thread?

 

Yes this thread can be ended. My bank refunded me my money.

 

Congrats!

 

Ban Chris Nelson?

 

I'm going to quote you for epicness..
Again, THEY COPIED KINETIX FIRST. Kinetix have shown that the design is flawed. So for them to copy a failed design is in itself a failure, then the poor quality control, the lies, the wasted time and efforts, etc.


I think I'll stick to my dyno tested/proven Motordyne products. Having met Tony/Hydrazine in person, not to mention the wealth of knowledge he possesses, I think I'm OK.

 

Wow, didn't realized I was being attacked on the internet, I guess I should check in more often!

Yes I am sorry that I sent the wrong gasket, my bad!

The reason for the cracks was my hasty delivery of the manifold. He called on Tuesday, and wanted it by Friday across the country. The reason it cracked is because we did a fresh decking of the mating surface for a nice finish for Cordell, and neglected to double check the welds after removing the material. I offered to pay for shipping both ways to Cordell so I could have it repaired for him. The crack is an easy fix and was caused by trying to rush the delivery in time for his appointment.

However, Cordell drove the car around for 4 days with my intake on, decided to send it back, and I told him I'd refund him the agreed upon amount after it showed up, of course this is before I saw the damage he caused by shipping it without any packing material...



I have proof that Cordell is trying to play this off as him being scammed so he doesn't have to take responsibility! Please read my story here:

http://mnperformance.com/evidence.pdf

(This is the document submitted to Paypal after being accused of ripping him off.)

I'm not trying to rip him off, at this point I'm trying to prevent being ripped off myself!

Don't believe everything you read on the internet! And don't assume I'm guilty of something just because of hearing his side. I have an impeccable record on every forum and e-commerce site I am a member of. I am trying to solve this as fairly and as amicably as possible.

 

It's really quite simple. If the problem was just the cracks he showed pictures of, we'd have a deal, I would have taken it back in no questions asked. The real problem is the damage he caused due to his lack of care. I sent it to him in mint condition, he sent it back to me destroyed!

This is what the manifold looked like when it arrived at CIN Motorsports in North Carolina on Sept. 2nd:







This is proof that when the item arrived to Mr. Lyons it was in good workable and UN-damaged condition.


This is what it looked like when it arrived back to me this past weekend:

No packing material! Just thrown in a box!











Most of the hardware is missing, pieces of the intake were sticking out the side and it is severely damaged now! How can I just give him a refund when he treats me like this!?


I am proposing a refund of $199 and I keep the manifold. This is how this figure was calculated:
$700 (Original Purchase Price)
-$122 (Original Shipping Price)
-$49 (Missing Hardware)
-$330 (Cost to fix the product and get it back to the condition Mr. Lyons received it in)
=$199

Bottom Line:
Cordell received the product in very good condition and returned it to me damaged.

 

again we have already seen the bs excuse as in the buyer wanted fast shipment. NO EXCUSE!! PLUS you're not a vendor so you shouldnt advertise at all esp with a BS product thats an equal failure as you trying to promote it on your "race car" lmao

 

I don't know who you are or why you seem to have a personal vendetta against ME, 2004Black350z, but you should consider what is really going on here. Stop making up stories.

I don't recall ever advertising my Nissan as a "race car", and Cordell called me up to try it out. Also, I have already claimed responsibility for the cracks in the manifold, and you are right that there is no excuse for it, which is why I apologized to him and offered to fix the problem in the first place.

I am an honest person, with a great track record for online selling. This is a case of some minor errors, an over-reaction, and your pitchfork mentality.

 

If Cordell would have returned the manifold to me in the same condition he received it in, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If you buy a set of wheels from another forum member, install them and cruise around with them on for the weekend, then curb the **** out of them, do you think the seller would give you the money back?

Didn't think so.

 

The way he shipped it back was a little over the top (and that's putting it very nicely).

 

I shipped it back the same way and in the same box it was shipped to me in. The transaction was disputed thru paypal. He presented his side, I presented mine, I was given a refund, end of story.................lock this thread please.