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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 12:21 PM
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Okay so I have a simple question. why is it that I can find generic headers for my 350z on eBay for $150-250. but when I look at brands like Borla, Dc sports, etc.. they are like $600-800. is there a difference in performance? is the the price differential just because of the brand?? I would like to know because if so I would be fine adding some generic brand headers to my car.

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Borka??? link please.
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Borka??? link please.
My phone autocorrected Borla to Borka ha my bad.
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 12:26 PM
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ok well then now thats outta the way..

headers are pointless bro. Spend youre money and make your car look good instead.
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 12:48 PM
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Word.
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ZS14
ok well then now thats outta the way..

headers are pointless bro. Spend youre money and make your car look good instead.
I think that’s a typo… Save your money for boost instead.
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ZS14
Borka??? link please.
Originally Posted by ZS14
ok well then now thats outta the way..

headers are pointless bro. Spend youre money and make your car look good instead.
Okay well I would still like to know.. isthere a performance difference? Or is it just brand name cost more?
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 01:16 PM
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Bmurray-

As others have stated, don't waste your money on headers. It turns out that the factory headers flow quite well and as long as the exhaust ports in the block don't increase in diameter, no matter how big the header tubes are, there will be no gains.

You may get gains if the headers are more streamlined and straight but overall, you will get no gains or extremely minimal gains.

As far as price is concerned should you decide to go with headers, there may be a difference in quality such as the thickness of the metal. WhenI went turbo, I wondered about using my Nismo headers but my tuner highly suggested against as he said the cast/thickness of the facotyr Nissan headers was far superior to aftermarket headers and that there would be no cracking or failure.

In the end, save money for boost if you can. You will eventually throw away all of your all-motor mods and it will literally be a few thousand dollars down the drain.
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my gift to u...

http://www.350zmotoring.com/forums/g...r-opinion.html
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Blue Blur? Why wouldn't you want to run your bolt on mods turbod? (assuming this is what your saying)
All replaced with the components of a turbo kit??
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Originally Posted by CTZ860
Blue Blur? Why wouldn't you want to run your bolt on mods turbod? (assuming this is what your saying)
All replaced with the components of a turbo kit??
Only twin turbo kits replace manifolds, and IIRC blur is running a single.
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Originally Posted by ZS14
ok well then now thats outta the way..

headers are pointless bro. Spend youre money and make your car look good instead.
show > go
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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Bmurray-

As others have stated, don't waste your money on headers. It turns out that the factory headers flow quite well and as long as the exhaust ports in the block don't increase in diameter, no matter how big the header tubes are, there will be no gains.

You may get gains if the headers are more streamlined and straight but overall, you will get no gains or extremely minimal gains.

As far as price is concerned should you decide to go with headers, there may be a difference in quality such as the thickness of the metal. WhenI went turbo, I wondered about using my Nismo headers but my tuner highly suggested against as he said the cast/thickness of the facotyr Nissan headers was far superior to aftermarket headers and that there would be no cracking or failure.

In the end, save money for boost if you can. You will eventually throw away all of your all-motor mods and it will literally be a few thousand dollars down the drain.
+1. I put Strup headers on my Z, only cuz I got them for $200, and got a hookup on the install... Probably didn't gain much, if anything at all, from the headers. Maybe gained a little from the Strup test pipes... but otherwise, exhaust is louder, and that's about it.

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Originally Posted by SirSpeedyZ
show > go
Not everyone is a track or speed junkie..

But headers on a Z will probably just cause blender exhaust noise...

I think you would be better off with test pipes.
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Originally Posted by ZS14
Not everyone is a track or speed junkie..

But headers on a Z will probably just cause blender exhaust noise...

I think you would be better off with test pipes.
I bought a Z because I like spirited driving and some power.
Crawford headers didn't change the exhaust note at all except for a slightly louder sound.

Besides, I got mine for $20
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 02:57 PM
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wow lots of opinions in here. Im still waiting to see all these dyno graphs of before header and after with tune. im sure most of you guys have hands on experience however no graphs.... Boosted performance is even thinking about adding a aftermarket header with his turbo kit. They guys at CIN will tell u honestly you're not gonna get huge power but there will def be a sound and hp increase. i mean if you spend 1000+ on exhaust(which is really easy to do) for minimal gains why not replace the headers as well. As soon as i sell my house and get some funds freed up i WILL be buying MR or OBX long tube headers and will have a dyno comparison of before tuned and after. If im wrong the community will see with THERE OWN eyes. If im right then ill have more power. CIN is trying to talk me out of it since future plan is LS3 but i would like to put this fairytale to rest
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I would just buy a good set of test pipes instead, at least those are easier to install. If you get them used and install them yourself you could save $, and put the rest of it towards an exhuast.
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Old Jun 24, 2011 | 05:02 PM
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Quality of the materials, quality of welds, quality of merge collectors all go towards determining price. You can buy McDonalds from the dollar menu or you can go to Ruths Chris. Both places will serve you dinner.

As for gains there are several factors involved. Most important being the year of the car and whether there are cams I involved or not. If it's a non revup DE without cams I personally would not bother if you are paying for labor. You also have to carefully pick the right test pipe (or cat) to go with them. Pipes being more straight or less straight have nothing at all to do with anything.
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Originally Posted by ImWeeZzel
I would just buy a good set of test pipes instead, at least those are easier to install. If you get them used and install them yourself you could save $, and put the rest of it towards an exhuast.
i already have berk test pipes on the z
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Originally Posted by CTZ860
Blue Blur? Why wouldn't you want to run your bolt on mods turbod? (assuming this is what your saying)
All replaced with the components of a turbo kit??
The bolt on mods I had at the time was a Nismo air intake and headers. The air intake gets replaced with the turbo system's own. The headers, as I described earlier, were too thin and may not have been able to hold-up to the higher temperatures the turbo system would create which would've let to failure and rupturing.

I was able to utilize my Greddy dual exhaust but I had to fabricate a y-pipe to match the single turbo's exhaust to it but in the end, I went with a custom made 3" straight through pipe.

Depending on your mods, you will have ot get rid of some of them when you go forced induction.
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