how long should factory clutch last with stock config?
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat79
I really think that a clutch which is properly used and not tracked or taken to the strip can last over 100k miles. On the Z I'm not completely certain.
However it's not uncommon for clutches to last that long. It's all in the hands of the driver.
However it's not uncommon for clutches to last that long. It's all in the hands of the driver.
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Originally Posted by SuperBlack350z
i posted in another thread that my friend put over 160k miles on his stock 350z clutch before even changing it out. And the only reason he changed it was he didn't want it to fail while he is on his long trips across states. As long as you know how to drive and don't do dumb stuff , it will last a long time. I have also seen a brand new 350z with a failing clutch because the sales man burnt it while going up one of those show ramps that they put in front of the dealerships. IT didn't even have 20 miles on it yet and they had to replace the clutch. Crazy stuff.
Just don't feather the clutch excessively. IMO, if you're changing out the clutch before 50k miles on a car that's not tracked or taken to the strip, you should have another manual driver ride with you one day to check out the habits you've learned with driving manual.... they may have some tips for you on how to properly work a clutch to get maximum efficiency.
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yup. The thing with 350zs, in order to have very smooth clutch engagement , you would have to slip the clutch a bit in every gear and feather it a lot off the line. Most people will do this but fail to realize that it is causing more friction and heat. Having a certain amount of hp/tq will cause excessive wear as well. So it's easier to mess a clutch up on the z then lets say, a civic.
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Originally Posted by SuperBlack350z
yup. The thing with 350zs, in order to have very smooth clutch engagement , you would have to slip the clutch a bit in every gear and feather it a lot off the line. Most people will do this but fail to realize that it is causing more friction and heat. Having a certain amount of hp/tq will cause excessive wear as well. So it's easier to mess a clutch up on the z then lets say, a civic.
I have the stock clutch and was wondering about this issue also. Explain what you mean when you say "in order to have smooth clutch engagement, you would have to slip the clutch a but in every gear and feather it off the line." I have had my Z since new in '04 and it took me a good while to smoothly shift between gears with no slight jerk and to accelerate smoothly from a stop. Are you referring to aggressive driving or daily driving?
It doesn't seem right to think that my driving before (slight jerks between gear shifts and all) was better for the car than my smoother shifting method now. It took me a while to master shifting the Z smoothly! The Z clutch has a much higher engagement point than my DD 318is (<--my civic )
I have "dumped" my clutch only a handful of times in the 3 years or so I have had her and very very rarely hold the clutch pedal at that point of engagement. The only times I've done it have been on super steep hills trying to get going. Does it seem like I am on my way to replacing my clutch at a "normal" wear point to you?
Responses from anyone are welcome - sorry for jacking your thread djfujiyama, but maybe my questions can generate some good info!
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Originally Posted by blackfairlady
I have the stock clutch and was wondering about this issue also. Explain what you mean when you say "in order to have smooth clutch engagement, you would have to slip the clutch a but in every gear and feather it off the line." I have had my Z since new in '04 and it took me a good while to smoothly shift between gears with no slight jerk and to accelerate smoothly from a stop. Are you referring to aggressive driving or daily driving?
It doesn't seem right to think that my driving before (slight jerks between gear shifts and all) was better for the car than my smoother shifting method now. It took me a while to master shifting the Z smoothly! The Z clutch has a much higher engagement point than my DD 318is (<--my civic )
I have "dumped" my clutch only a handful of times in the 3 years or so I have had her and very very rarely hold the clutch pedal at that point of engagement. The only times I've done it have been on super steep hills trying to get going. Does it seem like I am on my way to replacing my clutch at a "normal" wear point to you?
Responses from anyone are welcome - sorry for jacking your thread djfujiyama, but maybe my questions can generate some good info!
It doesn't seem right to think that my driving before (slight jerks between gear shifts and all) was better for the car than my smoother shifting method now. It took me a while to master shifting the Z smoothly! The Z clutch has a much higher engagement point than my DD 318is (<--my civic )
I have "dumped" my clutch only a handful of times in the 3 years or so I have had her and very very rarely hold the clutch pedal at that point of engagement. The only times I've done it have been on super steep hills trying to get going. Does it seem like I am on my way to replacing my clutch at a "normal" wear point to you?
Responses from anyone are welcome - sorry for jacking your thread djfujiyama, but maybe my questions can generate some good info!
Usually i can do it fast enough where i'm not even riding the clutch. Only time i need smooth engagement is in first gear. I'll slip the clutch slowly. In between shift, i shift pretty fast and let out the clutch fast.
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I think by "slipping" he's also talking about "Feathering".
When engaging the clutch from a stop, you should try to "Feather" the clutch the least amount possible if you aren't in a competitive environment. Don't accelerate until the clutch is fully engaged (pedal out). Keep the rpms low, say around 1200, as you start moving until the clutch is engaged, then accelerate.
As you shift while moving, you should learn the shift points in your car to be able to rev-match with the throttle to keep the clutch from feathering during movement. Not everyone does it perfectly but it helps a lot when it comes to extending the life of your clutch.
When engaging the clutch from a stop, you should try to "Feather" the clutch the least amount possible if you aren't in a competitive environment. Don't accelerate until the clutch is fully engaged (pedal out). Keep the rpms low, say around 1200, as you start moving until the clutch is engaged, then accelerate.
As you shift while moving, you should learn the shift points in your car to be able to rev-match with the throttle to keep the clutch from feathering during movement. Not everyone does it perfectly but it helps a lot when it comes to extending the life of your clutch.
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Originally Posted by SuperBlack350z
Usually i can do it fast enough where i'm not even riding the clutch. Only time i need smooth engagement is in first gear. I'll slip the clutch slowly. In between shift, i shift pretty fast and let out the clutch fast.
Do you find 2nd to 3rd is particularly hard to shift smoothly between with the normal clutch release?
Other performance cars seem easier to shift for me in comparison to the Z: e.g. viper, vette, cts-v, etc......strange.
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat79
I think by "slipping" he's also talking about "Feathering".
When engaging the clutch from a stop, you should try to "Feather" the clutch the least amount possible if you aren't in a competitive environment. Don't accelerate until the clutch is fully engaged (pedal out). Keep the rpms low, say around 1200, as you start moving until the clutch is engaged, then accelerate.
As you shift while moving, you should learn the shift points in your car to be able to rev-match with the throttle to keep the clutch from feathering during movement. Not everyone does it perfectly but it helps a lot when it comes to extending the life of your clutch.
When engaging the clutch from a stop, you should try to "Feather" the clutch the least amount possible if you aren't in a competitive environment. Don't accelerate until the clutch is fully engaged (pedal out). Keep the rpms low, say around 1200, as you start moving until the clutch is engaged, then accelerate.
As you shift while moving, you should learn the shift points in your car to be able to rev-match with the throttle to keep the clutch from feathering during movement. Not everyone does it perfectly but it helps a lot when it comes to extending the life of your clutch.
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