Traded my $@#!% Z in tonight. Peace at last.
My dealer use to have his Z's out by the road where you could see them, now they are close to the show room and he never has more than 2 at one time. Use to have 4 or more. I don't know what this means maybe just not that many sold in the winter.
It could mean that he doesn't sell as many as other nearby dealers so Nissan has lowered his allocation or that he sells them almost as fast as he gets them. All the Z's sell, just maybe not through the dealer where you got yours.
Originally posted by smcgee1970
I don't know...it just seems that the recent advertising campaign is mostly about the Nissan brand. It tries to convey attitude, quality, versatility...all the normal nonsense. It just seems strange to me that while they are showing virtually their complete line in many of the adds, even though they aren't emphasizing most of the vehicles, the Z seems to be absent. The XTerra is an "old" design that sells well, and it is featured somewhere in virtually every add. The Z was suposed to be the heart and soul of Nissan, but it isn't even shown in many of the TV adds. It doesn't really matter, but it seems weird to me.
I don't know...it just seems that the recent advertising campaign is mostly about the Nissan brand. It tries to convey attitude, quality, versatility...all the normal nonsense. It just seems strange to me that while they are showing virtually their complete line in many of the adds, even though they aren't emphasizing most of the vehicles, the Z seems to be absent. The XTerra is an "old" design that sells well, and it is featured somewhere in virtually every add. The Z was suposed to be the heart and soul of Nissan, but it isn't even shown in many of the TV adds. It doesn't really matter, but it seems weird to me.
Originally posted by smcgee1970
Anyone notice the absence of the Z from most of the new Nissan advertisiung campaign? So much for the flagship.
3 Months Later...I told you so.
Anyone notice the absence of the Z from most of the new Nissan advertisiung campaign? So much for the flagship.
3 Months Later...I told you so.
Same thing with the 'end of year deals'. Dealers are now trying hard to blow out remaining '03 stock, except for the 350Z, which will sell just fine on it's own, regardless of whether or not it's an '03 or an '04. Just saw a commercial which had every single Nissan vehicle save the Z reduced for end of year savings.
New Year's Resolution: I am keeping the Z and I'm through with posts blathering moral indignation about Nissan. It hasn't profited me a thing. I will seek any and every device to improve my car, period. If something comes from Nissan, so be it. I no longer care if it improves my car.
A word to the rest of you. Decide to keep or sell/trade, don't continue to vacilate, as I have, it brings nothing but frustration. Seek repairs from Nissan, if they are not enough, go with my blessing to rid yourself of the object that offends you, don't continue to *****, it is futile. You'll sleep better, I know I will.
Boomer--My opinion, use it or lose it, I don't care at all.
A word to the rest of you. Decide to keep or sell/trade, don't continue to vacilate, as I have, it brings nothing but frustration. Seek repairs from Nissan, if they are not enough, go with my blessing to rid yourself of the object that offends you, don't continue to *****, it is futile. You'll sleep better, I know I will.
Boomer--My opinion, use it or lose it, I don't care at all.
Boomer,
You're right. I got rid of my Z, and haven't regretted the decision for an instant. I do however miss the car. Which just means I'll wind up buying another one or something similar when the problems are resolved. For me, the cost of only keeping the car for a year and trading wasn't enough to offset the frustrations. I promise I'll quit aggravating you guys that are still suffering. It is true that fondness grows with absence - which is why I still bother to check this site. The Z is a potentially great car...It just sucks right now.
You're right. I got rid of my Z, and haven't regretted the decision for an instant. I do however miss the car. Which just means I'll wind up buying another one or something similar when the problems are resolved. For me, the cost of only keeping the car for a year and trading wasn't enough to offset the frustrations. I promise I'll quit aggravating you guys that are still suffering. It is true that fondness grows with absence - which is why I still bother to check this site. The Z is a potentially great car...It just sucks right now.
Originally posted by smcgee1970
Boomer,
You're right. I got rid of my Z, and haven't regretted the decision for an instant. I do however miss the car. Which just means I'll wind up buying another one or something similar when the problems are resolved. For me, the cost of only keeping the car for a year and trading wasn't enough to offset the frustrations. I promise I'll quit aggravating you guys that are still suffering. It is true that fondness grows with absence - which is why I still bother to check this site. The Z is a potentially great car...It just sucks right now.
Boomer,
You're right. I got rid of my Z, and haven't regretted the decision for an instant. I do however miss the car. Which just means I'll wind up buying another one or something similar when the problems are resolved. For me, the cost of only keeping the car for a year and trading wasn't enough to offset the frustrations. I promise I'll quit aggravating you guys that are still suffering. It is true that fondness grows with absence - which is why I still bother to check this site. The Z is a potentially great car...It just sucks right now.
Thank you for your comments, smcgee, you made your decision, acted on it and no longer suffer over a car that didn't meet your expectations. I was in the same mode as you, but I have chosen to keep mine and change it to meet my expectations. I believe both of us acted correctly and thoughtfully. Others may wish to follow our path, or not. Only a suggestion, some may not agree and that is their right.
Originally posted by Boomer
PH, my first Nissan was a DATSUN 240Z w/73,000 miles and I drove it for 70,000 miles and 7 years. I had an 89,92 and have presently a 99 Maxima, the last non-Renault Nissan. The Z has 5 times the problems my other Nissans have had, but the real issue is they're making money hand over fist out of the Z's image and won't fix the problems it has. Some of those problems are appearing on 2004s. Inexecusable to me. I won't ever recommend a Nissan again, they have alienated me because they are lying to their dealers, customers and to the press. They've done a poor job on their icon and don't care because its still selling. If they want my business, and the business of 1000s of other owners, they better fix this car. I was planning to buy a G35 Sedan, I won't if I keep reading about the problems that continue to exist on this car.
I have no reason to trust them any longer. They've given up their reputation for quality cars to pad the bottom line. I bought Nissans before because they were almost trouble-free. This not the case any longer. I still have the window streaks, but am afraid to try their fix because it has been botched by so many dealerships. Brilliant ideas and poor execution will catch up with Nissan eventually. I am fedup with their mistakes and lies. I don't know how many Nissans you've had, PH, but they were always good cars w/minimal problems that were fixed immediately in earlier days. My 14 years of ownership experience is proof to that statement and bureaucracy excuses are b.s., I worked in a bureaucracy for 23 years, the rot starts at the top, not bottom.
Boomer--my opinion, take it or leave it, I really don't care anymore.
PH, my first Nissan was a DATSUN 240Z w/73,000 miles and I drove it for 70,000 miles and 7 years. I had an 89,92 and have presently a 99 Maxima, the last non-Renault Nissan. The Z has 5 times the problems my other Nissans have had, but the real issue is they're making money hand over fist out of the Z's image and won't fix the problems it has. Some of those problems are appearing on 2004s. Inexecusable to me. I won't ever recommend a Nissan again, they have alienated me because they are lying to their dealers, customers and to the press. They've done a poor job on their icon and don't care because its still selling. If they want my business, and the business of 1000s of other owners, they better fix this car. I was planning to buy a G35 Sedan, I won't if I keep reading about the problems that continue to exist on this car.
I have no reason to trust them any longer. They've given up their reputation for quality cars to pad the bottom line. I bought Nissans before because they were almost trouble-free. This not the case any longer. I still have the window streaks, but am afraid to try their fix because it has been botched by so many dealerships. Brilliant ideas and poor execution will catch up with Nissan eventually. I am fedup with their mistakes and lies. I don't know how many Nissans you've had, PH, but they were always good cars w/minimal problems that were fixed immediately in earlier days. My 14 years of ownership experience is proof to that statement and bureaucracy excuses are b.s., I worked in a bureaucracy for 23 years, the rot starts at the top, not bottom.
Boomer--my opinion, take it or leave it, I really don't care anymore.
Originally posted by maybeaZ
I hear you guys about the problems being frustrating. The mention of not buying a G35 for fear of owning another Nissan though needs to be put in perspective. Infinity has the highest customer satisfaction rating of any car manufacturer in North America.
I hear you guys about the problems being frustrating. The mention of not buying a G35 for fear of owning another Nissan though needs to be put in perspective. Infinity has the highest customer satisfaction rating of any car manufacturer in North America.
I wouldn't want front drive on my Z, but I am keeping it, despite buying the TL.
I've owned nothing but New Toyotas, Nissans and now a second-hand Mazda Protege, as my puddle-jumper, for over twenty-two years.
When it was time to get another new Nissan in the fall of 2001, I dropped the Maxima SE, 6spd, LSD idea in a flash once I saw the details and pricing of the Z.
Overall there have been bumps along the Z road, but when we all get in and drive, it really doesn't seem so terrible these first year flaws [at least for me].
I also considered a WRX, my dealer sells both, but didn't trust the highly stressed turbo and I just couldn't live with the Impreza's bits and pieces interior. Damn thing does run with us for short bursts though!
When it was time to get another new Nissan in the fall of 2001, I dropped the Maxima SE, 6spd, LSD idea in a flash once I saw the details and pricing of the Z.
Overall there have been bumps along the Z road, but when we all get in and drive, it really doesn't seem so terrible these first year flaws [at least for me].
I also considered a WRX, my dealer sells both, but didn't trust the highly stressed turbo and I just couldn't live with the Impreza's bits and pieces interior. Damn thing does run with us for short bursts though!
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