Notices
Maintenance & Repair 350Z up keep and diagnosing/fixing problems

2005 Z Roadster 5AT - severe lack of power, please help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-13-2013, 04:04 PM
  #1  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 2005 Z Roadster 5AT - severe lack of power, please help

Hello all,

First some background on the car. It was flooded back in 2010 in fresh water and the engine hydrolocked. I put in the following new parts:

Known good engine and automatic transmission from a 2003 350z
All new gaskets and seals
New water pump
new supsension (most of it)
new brakes
all new fluids
new spark plugs
new belts, etc.

The problem I have is that the car does not want to accelerate. The RPMs rise very slowly, even in neutral, compared to how they should rise when compared side-by-side with another Z. There are no codes stored and all the monitors are set.

I checked all the sensors as best I could and everything matched up fine with the donor car (ie, throttle sensors..). Ignition timing is at 18 and idle speed is at 650 rpm in Park.

I tried replacing the throttle body with a few different units, that didn't make a difference. I also replaced the mass airflow sensor with another good unit.

I'm pretty much out of ideas at this point. The car will maintain any rpm just fine and will cruise down the highlyway, but it takes like 30+ seconds to get up to the correct speed because the engine rpm goes up so slowly - like the ECM is telling the transmission that I am at WOT, but only manages to tell the engine to accelerate at 25% effort.

I am thinking it's a bad ECM - any ideas?

Last edited by ByThaBay; 01-13-2013 at 04:06 PM.
Old 01-13-2013, 04:42 PM
  #2  
JaE35z
New Member
iTrader: (11)
 
JaE35z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,742
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Look into replacing knock sensor and harness
Old 01-13-2013, 05:35 PM
  #3  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JaE35z
Look into replacing knock sensor and harness
rechecked both knock sensor and harness and both check out ok
Old 01-13-2013, 05:40 PM
  #4  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I am considering trying on a different set of cats... would I see a catalyst efficiency error if my current cats are clogged up?
Old 01-14-2013, 09:02 AM
  #5  
Philly_G35
Registered User
 
Philly_G35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Have you tested/changed the Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor. Mine went in my G35 Sedan and the symptoms were similar.
Old 01-14-2013, 09:34 AM
  #6  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Philly_G35
Have you tested/changed the Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor. Mine went in my G35 Sedan and the symptoms were similar.
Yes, I looked at that sensor and it appears to be functioning properly based on the graph representation. Also, when I drive the car, the transmission shifts at the right points given the position of the gas pedal. Basically I can give it 1/3 throttle and it shifts normally, if I give it WOT, it accelerates like it's 1/3 throttle but transmission shifts at the WOT shift points, just takes forever to get to those points with engine speed remaining high for long periods of time in between as car picks up speed.
Old 01-14-2013, 09:35 AM
  #7  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Philly_G35
Have you tested/changed the Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor. Mine went in my G35 Sedan and the symptoms were similar.
I've ruled out a transmission issue as well due to the fact that the engine behaves the same even in neutral. revving at 1/3 throttle vs WOT produces same effect.
Old 01-14-2013, 09:37 AM
  #8  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I went to try on a new set of cats last night, only to find that one of my donor cats has one of the studs seized and I couldn't get it out. I'll probably have to drill the stud out if I want to use that cat. In any case, I already had my old cats out, so I took at look at them and they both looked like new - no issues on either the inlet side nor the outlet side.

Still no check engine light , all monitors are ready.
Old 01-14-2013, 10:56 AM
  #9  
Philly_G35
Registered User
 
Philly_G35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ByThaBay
Yes, I looked at that sensor and it appears to be functioning properly based on the graph representation. Also, when I drive the car, the transmission shifts at the right points given the position of the gas pedal. Basically I can give it 1/3 throttle and it shifts normally, if I give it WOT, it accelerates like it's 1/3 throttle but transmission shifts at the WOT shift points, just takes forever to get to those points with engine speed remaining high for long periods of time in between as car picks up speed.
I don't recall if I ever went WOT to remember the shift points. My dash turned into a Christmas tree when mine failed so I was able to pull a code. I also tried the Accelerator Pedal Reset and Throttle Position Reset procedures before I ordered the part.

When I was in neutral it didn't seem like it would ever reach red line when I revved the engine, the RPM's climbed very slowly.

Good luck solving the problem.
Old 01-14-2013, 08:24 PM
  #10  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I was looking at my VVT tonight and I don't think it's working right...
Old 01-15-2013, 01:51 PM
  #11  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think I figured out why my VVT is not working and there is no check engine light on. Simply put, the ECM is not trying to turn on the VVT. The condition for the CEL to come on is only monitored if the ECM is trying to use the VVT. When the VVT is not in use, there is no reason to check the condition for the CEL. I believe the ECM was shorted out during the flood incident and this is causing it to NOT enter the section of programming where VVT is activated and monitored.

Ordered a new ECM, will post results once new ECM is installed.
Old 01-26-2013, 11:44 PM
  #12  
ByThaBay
New Member
Thread Starter
 
ByThaBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Looked over the VVT, looks like it is working after all.. but throttle is certainly being restricted. Tried a new ECM today but it didn't fix the problem. Checked fuel pressure at idle and under load, checked out ok. I've been reading some strange posts about LED tail lights causing similar issues (ie, throttle cut without warning) - perhaps the lo jack installed in the Z is confusing the ECM or maybe the aftermarket head unit is causing an issue?
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Justin100
Exterior & Interior
11
11-25-2021 06:26 AM
MM'08_350Z
VQ35HR
225
04-22-2021 09:42 PM



Quick Reply: 2005 Z Roadster 5AT - severe lack of power, please help



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:03 AM.