When you say walk what do you mean. How many cars???

 

your maximas trap speed is ~5 mph too slow to walk a GT badly, you won because of the drivers, thats all there is to it, and trap speed has little to do with traction.

 

5mph too slow....HAHA...I don't see any GTs trapping 102mph..the norm at MY track is 96-99...

As for top end my maxima traps around 75-76mph in the 1/8 and then 97mph (capable of 98) at the 1/4 that's a 22-23mph gain on the top end.

While GTs trap SIMILIAR to what I trap in the 1/4, they also trap around 79-80mph in the 1/8...THUS I'm making 4-5mph MORE than them on the top end...that's why I could beat 99+ GTs from a roll on.

That Angel2000GT guy has 267rwhp in his GT (about 40 more than stock) and he's only trapping 101.8.

BTW - just for the record...I NEVER said that my old maxima could walk a GT...BADLY...I pulled slowly on a couple and was near even with a few others....but once the speeds got over 100mph..I would always end up pulling on them...NOT badly..put pulling.

 

I've seen 101-102's before, it's possible if driven right.

like i said, trap speed has little to do with traction, the reason you can take them at higher speeds is your car has shorter gearing, once they shift into 4th they slow down a good bit, they dont have a short differential like your maxima does, and these are bone stock GTs, not modded like you are.

 

Umm, exactly why does gearing make any diffrence at all in this situation? If its faster its faster - don't make excuses saying "gearing". Thats a big time cop out..

 

Well then me being modded is definitely an unfair advantage
My only "go fast" mods on the max were intake, full exhaust, and an underdrive pully. Nothing major.

This "gearing" excuse is a big time cop out.

The fact is that my V6 FOUR DOOR FAMILY SEDAN could hang with and beat V8 "Muscle" cars....now that's fairly amusing.

BTW - a 101-102mph trap speed in a bone stock GT is like 1 in a 1000 (in fact I haven't seen them trap even remotely near that to date)...and it has VERY little to do with driver...usually if people can trap that high, they are very near sea level, with very low humidity and cold temps.

 

No more then "let's take it to the road course" Which I heard from more then a few 350Z owners everytime they get walked by LS1's. 99.9% of all car owners never drive on a road course so what does that matter anyway

gearing is no big deal to me anyway about 2 hours of work and 150 dollars and 4.30:1 gears can be installed.

 

Not true at all. F-bodies are straight line cars...that's what they were built to do, just like mustangs. The 350Z was NOT built to beat up on straight line cars, the fact that it beats a stock GT is merely becuase of a hp and gearing advantage. Just like the LS1 has a MAJOR hp advantage over the 350Z. It's not a cop out to say..."lets take it to a roadcourse"...that's where the car was designed to EXCEL.

The fact that a Mustang GT IS a straight line car and my Maxima could beat one in a straight line is the point. It's called beating a car at it's own game. The additional fact that my car has MUCH less hp than a mustang GT makes it all the better.

 

Saying let’s take it to a road course is a cop out and here are the reasons.

1. Not practical. It can be argued all daylong but bottom line is it's not practical to take cars to a road course. For one are you licensed to race your car on a road course??? Like with the SCCA? Most people are not and not willing to play thousands of dollars to get licensed. I am willing to bet that 99% of the 350Z owners on this board do not have their car setup for road racing i.e. rollcage, saftey equipment etc..........

2. Road racing is more dependant on the driver then anything else. Drag racing is also dependent on driver but it takes less skill and money to get good at it.

3. 350Z’s or any street car for that matter are not race cars and were not designed for track use, they may do well as weekend warrior road racers but that is not their designed function.

4. And another thing most and I mean most of the people that say lets take it to a road course haven’t even set foot on a track let along race a car on one. They would more then likely wreck their car and go home crying when they find out their insurance company won’t pay for the repairs.

 

you see, theres this funny thing called potential involved here, you know why the Pony cars do so well? they leave everything up to the owner to do, meaning if he wants to run 11's, he can do it easily, if he wantsto make his car handle, he can do that as well. the point is not that your grocery getter can hang with a mustang with FULL exhaust and an intake and a useless UD pulley, the point is that if you raced one stock you'd lose, by alot, if you raced one modded you would as well, full exhaust does quite a bit on a mustang, and this is coming from an Fbody owner.

1 in 1000, youve been ot the track what, 2 times? if you believe that you're fooling yourself, your maxima is not as fast as a well driven stock 5 speed GT, nor does it have the potential to run the 1//4 or handle as well, get over your import bias.

Gearing is a cop out? cop out to WHAT? I explained the reason why it was faster at higher speeds, and i don't believe that it is anyway, IF it is, then fine, thats the reason.

Just straightline cars? i hope thats not what you're insinuating. and explain how a car is BUILT to run the 1/4 mile and how it's BUILT to run a road course? explain how a stiffer suspension would hurt a car from a roll in a race? in fact the suspension differences would ONLY affect the launch, meaning unless you're going from a stop, it makes no difference.

If you are saying that Fbodies are ONLY straightline cars I'll just stop here, no use dealing with people that have closed minds and little knowledge.

 

I can and HAVE gone to Gingerman Raceway on an open lapping day...paid 50 bucks...and run ALL DAY.
http://www.gingermanraceway.com/

I rest my case.

 

That's right...the fact is ANY JAMOKE can make a Mustang fast....where's the challenge in that??? I took a car that has VERY little aftermarket...(btw..the Underdrive pully gained 5whp and 8wtq on my car) and made it pretty quick for what it is...quick enough in fact to keep up with stock new stang GTs. Does the mustang have more potential than my max....sure it does, but that's not the point here. The fact is MOST people with Mustang GTs DON'T mod them...

AGAIN...I REALLY COULD GIVE A **** IF I'D WOULD HAVE (the maxima is being SOLD) LOST TO A MODDED GT.



You wanna know why the f-body and stang in STOCK form are straight line cars???

The have live rear axles (great for launching on a dragstrip)
They have LOTS of torque (great for getting out of the hole...on a drag strip and you don't have to rev the motor to redline and drop the clutch to get off the line)
the base model V8s(not the SS) have higher profile tires that flex on launch and are GOOD FOR DRAG RACING
They has soft stock suspension (compared to a Z, Honda S2000, Corvette, you get the picture)...and soft suspension allows more weightshift to the REAR of the car during hard acceleration...thus giving the car more traction in a STRAIGHT LINE.

This is why the f-body and the Mustang IN STOCK FORM are straight line cars.

Now I fully understand that you could mod either one's suspension to make it a good roadcourse or autox car...and some guys do REALLY REALLY well road racing f-bodies and stangs...but their suspension is FAR FROM STOCK.


Finally I will explain how a car (like the Z for example is BUILT for a road course)

The Z has has fully independant 4-link aluminum suspension and very stiff springs, this allows the Z to travel QUICKLY through corners without getting a lot of body roll.
The Z has MUCH BETTER BRAKES than an F-body or stang (especially the track's Brembos...they DON'T FADE..and you can't say that about an F-body or stang.
The Z has VERY VERY linear throttle response and a VERY smooth power band that allows it to be driven harder without getting tail happy, like cars with peaky powerbands do when they get into the power.
The Z has a VERY solid chassis..with front and rear strut braces STOCK.
The Z comes with LIGHT 18in rims (track edition) with low profile summer only tires...(if you've ever been on a road course on all-seasons you'd understand just how much of a disadvantage it is.)

If you actually KNEW anything about road racing, you'd know that it's 50% driver 40% suspension and brakes and 10% Horsepower

You were saying?

 

Yeah, my point is if you race someone that is much more experienced then you racing you will get crushed no matter what car they drive. Road racing is different in that you have to be good to push the cars limits. Most people can't push the limits of their car. So once again you beat by the driver or beat the driver not the car.

It is still not pratical since how often do they have open track days. Rolling race can happen on any highway if you want to take the risk. Also the 1/4 strips have test and tune days once a week all spring and summer long.

 

Gingerman has open lapping EVERY week (on Wednesdays).

It's a great track to learn the limits of your car on...in EVERY turn except one you have plenty of run off in case you lose it you won't do anything but spin into the grass. There is one turn that you could get yourself into a little bit of trouble if you did something REALLY REALLY dumb...but all novice drivers take it slow and in total control.

I've beat a MODDED LS-1 at the drap strip in my maxima simply becuase I have a MUCH BETTER R/T and a much better 60ft...and he couldn't catch me at the end. Mind you I trapped like 96 or 97mph and he trapped like 108-109...

I BEAT THE DRIVER...NOT THE CAR...and that was on a drag strip.

 

POST EDITED.

 

im confused

 

some ******* hacked my account and posted under my username....cute.

and I can't delete it because it's been over 90 mintues since it was posted.

 

thats a bummer
at least you can say your car wasnt almost a probe

 

You'd be suprised how many get exhaust, intakes, etc. done to them, even women, I get a ton of buisness doing that kind of thing.

I never said you were wrong, I simply asked if you believed they were only capable of straightline performance, I was curious as to who I was talking to.

All brakes fade, a resistence to fade is largely dependant on the brake fluid, but a well vented aluminum caliper will help things if the fluid is limited to DOT 1 or 3.

I'm well aware that the 350Z is designed with better parts from the factory, i'm assuming you're aware of how poorly made the suspension and chassis pieces are built stock on an Fbody? they perform well for having an entirely stamped rear suspension and soft springs/stabilizers, and theres alot of improvement left for them, but you knew that.

If "I" knew anything about roadracing? i hope that as a question and not an attempted insult, and you're wrong, it's 90% driver and 10% car, it's obviously evident by going to a track and seeing cars that on paper should lap a few minutes behind a supercar beat it by a LARGE margin.

I was saying your modded car is going up against a mustang which was purposly detuned from the factory in order to be drivable by a large populous, you claimed you could beat a mustang at its own game, yet you can't, it sound like we're going in circles here, one minute you're faster then every mustang you've raced and another you're just keeping up with them (although your 1/4 mile times dont back it up)

 

When I talked about what percentage driver skill it is...I was talking about people who regularly road race...not some chump that comes out in his viper...spins it three times..gets beat by a civic and goes home.

When I said I could beat a mustang at it's own game, I was talking about a STOCK one...that was MEANT to go fast in a straight line...not be beat by a 4-door V6 family sedan. I was talking about what FORD had made.....not cars that people had modified.

As for my maxima..and it's 1/4 time...there WAS room for improvement with my set-up, a maxima with LESS mods went 14.1@98 on street tires..and again the maxima is doing most of it's pulling in the LAST 1/8 mile..vs. the Stang that does most in the first 1/8. All the 99+ GTs that I have run were from a roll...so that was my advantage...and I beat all of them....I said "keeping up" as a general term..as I know I can't "beat" all of them. As for a race from a stop...it never happened...but I'd be willing to bet I could beat 90% of them simply because they have no clue how to launch their cars.