Yea, gimme the Skyline GT-R R-34.

I've always thought of Porsches as pretty boy cars.

Nissans and BMWs are my favorite in my own experience.

BMW's are amazing machines.

 

i agree completely i love the M3's its and impressive inline 6 and the SMG II is amazing

 

I read the R & T article too, and was pleasantly surprised to see the Z beating the Carerra and the M3 around the track, even if it was by a very narrow margin. On a different day, with different drivers, I'm sure the Carerra and M3 could beat the Z. But just the fact that the Z can run with two cars that are about double the price of the Z makes me feel like a smart shopper. The Z may not have the stigma of the Carerra and M3 but hold its own in the performance department.

 

I'm fortunate enough to have friends/clients with "performance" cars and they allow me to drive them frequently.

I have been driving the Carrera lately, and the more I drive it, the less I like it in comparisson to my 350z Track.

In extreme driving, I have to "trust" the engineering of the Porsche whereas with the Z it demonstrates the confidence I have in it, full time.

I have been in 1 "near death" situations, that I caused and well expected to end in death, and the car pulled through.

Me and my 10 year old daughter, where in a "were gonna get thrashed" situation, and the VDC saved me from getting hit, running into a wall, or someone simply plowing into me because of amother idiot in a expedition cutting me offer with less than 6 inches between us. Just to make it clear, I wasn't doing anything risky/stupid at the time as I had my Dauther in the car.

I know that in both of these cases, if I was in the porsche, I wouldn't have survived those circumstances as well.

Is that a compliment to the Porsche, not likely.

not to mention that in less than 3 weeks ( close to 17 driving days) I threw on 2400 miles, and have been to near 150 and back, every on ramp is a 0-100 chance, and breaking hard just to do it over again, if I did any of that in the porsche, you know it would disintegrate.

Porsches are for 150mph all day, or a couple runs once a while.

hard Stop and Go spells death for nearly any porsche or nearly any exotic car out there.

I've got more on this later....

 

the porsche was a targa so it had a full glass roof that adds weight to it.

 

What year 911 did you drive? IIRC, 996's are equipped w/ Porsche Stability Management (PSM), which performs the same function as VDC. Supposedly, PSM is so good, that some drivers who leave it on get lower lap times than w/ it off.

All of my Porsche friends who have driven the 350 are extremely impressed w/ the 350, however, they would still rather own a 911. It goes back to that saying, once you drive a 911, you'll never want to drive anything else.

Michael.

 

As I said, I "currently drive" the carrera which is an 02....

It's not like I don't like it, it's just that in comparisson to the "Z", and the gross difference in cost, I guess I get a better kick out of the "Z".

Now the Porsche in comparisson to my 67 olds 442 (400), 68 Charger (383), 69 Charger (440), and the 68 Charger RT (440) of course the Porsche kicks their *** all day as far as quality and experience.

I don't know about PSM, I'll have to look into it and I'll get back to you on that.

As far as lower lap times, it's the same with the Z, if you have VDC on you can NOT max out on the top of the things as it's restricting/retarding that so you don't kill yourself besides the individual breaking and such.....

thanks

 

Oops. I had a long day yesterday.

The way I understood it, PSM is seamless and kicks in at the absolute last minute. And that allows the driver to go beyond their driving capabilities and more into the car's capabilities by providing some non-intrusive reassurance. OR... the driver can learn to effectively use PSM by slipping the tail out a bit to steer w/o fully losing control.

My guess is that PSM was designed to be used on a track while VDC was designed to be used on the street. *shrug*

Regarding the lap times published by Road & Track, does anybody know the type of track they ran the cars on? The 350 produces the second highest tq, but lowest hp. For it to best the M3 and 996 by even tenths of a second tells me: 1- it's all about the driver, and 2- the track they were on probably does not favor horsepower cars, meaning the track is probably lacking long-straights.

Michael.

 

dupe...

 

Last week I was driving when a 911 pulled up behind and around me. sowe proceeded to race. She stayed ahead until about 110 to 120. At that time I shift into sixth and took off around her and did not see her anymore until the exit. She was amazed and kept lookin at the car. Maybe it was car maybe it was driver.

 

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No worries about the long day... I have them by the week I wish I could just take them by the day....

It's always about the driver! If you are "driving" it's the acumulation of what you are doing, not anyone given instant in time.

 

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A 911 really is more of a match for a 350, the only reason why the mention the boxster is because of the selling price, and I also believe the Z got up'd a couple notches before the actual release and since they already spent whatever $$$$$ the spent on that marketting, they couldn't just flush it.

Technically yes a 911 should out perform a 350, but stick "any driver" behind them both, and I assure you the Z will put on a better show.... Now stick in "drivers" behind the wheel, and yes the 911 will take the flag, however the Z won't be limping in either.

 

We can argue "best value" all day.

I happen to agree. I personally think the Z is a better value. That's one of the reasons I bought one. But it is subjective.

As for the skyline, It is still a Nissan.

Look, I'm not expecting everyone to jump on board with me here... after all, this "is" a Nissan forum. I realize that.
I could care less if Nissan, Toyota, Opel, Pontiac, Lincoln, Honda, Suzuki or Hyundai comes out with a 200+ mile/hour supercar. The end result is still a 200+ mile/hour Nissan/Toyota/Opel/Pontiac/Lincoln/Honda/Suzuki/Hyundai.

A Porsche will always be a Porsche (until they start building SUV's or something).



Same can be said for Ferrari. You can soup up a 911 Turbo to beat the living hell out of a 360, but in the end, the Posrche is still a P-car and the Ferrari is still a Ferrari.
Just enjoy your car.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DEMOman

A Porsche will always be a Porsche (until they start building SUV's or something).

FYI - Porsche has started building SUV's.

Kind regards!

 

I agree, but there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, a person shopping for a 911 probably won't even consider the 350, however, a person shopping for a Boxster would probably consider a 350 (why else would you buy a Boxster if not for the Porsche name???). Second, many car mags say the Boxster S has track performance that would make many 911 Carrera owners (or was that Cabriolet owners?) nervous and at thousands less.

Michael.

 

I agree, although, some of us have considered a used 911 VS a 350Z, I ended up with a Z

 

I thought about a 911 and went for 350z because of the history that I have had with Z's. I also bought a 911 to restore so i guess it was both for me.

 

LOL,


I know... It was supposed to be sarcasm.
As much of a Porsche lover as I am... I (and many others) are finding it harder and harder to get excited about the cars they are putting out.
The Pepper-vaggon was the straw that just-about broke the camels back.

It all started to go down hill when they started putting water in their engines...


again... S A R C A S M...

 

What a load of hogwash, you know nothing about Porsche.

 

regarding those who say the 350 is still a nissan, or the s2000 is still a honda. no ****... what matters is what you get for what you pay. the z06 is still a chevy, but it can kick many exotics asses straight out of the factory. why do you think so many "high class" cars use the corvette engine? why dont they make their own? i dont understand this mentality about "______ is still a ______" i could give a **** less about who makes the 350z as long as it is a kick *** car (which it is) and could be had for ~30k. a great car shouldnt be about who makes it but instead what it demonstrates to those that are true car enthusiasts.