Damn it, im sick of trying to explain this to you. You are not representating the intelligence of ontario very well.

I didn't do any research on the z06 because it is not my point to begin with.

My point is as follows:

I know people run times faster and slower than magazine times do. I know this, I know they are legit, and I know they give the top times for the car. I dont care. I am comparing two cars using the same drivers and test procedures. I dont give a **** that they are not the fastest possible times for the cars. All I'm saying is that these times show which car is faster than which car and by how much. Now if I was using different magazines for each car you would be right. But im not. This is the closest possible way we can compare car times.


Do you understand yet?

 

From my short time here, I've seen more magazine racing than on any of the other car forums I frequent (LS1.com, corral.net, clubsi.com, streetkiaz.com, etc.). Since so many of the mag racers here seem to have a hard-on for MT, I've got an exercise for them...

Pick up your February '03 issue. You do have a subscription to your primary source of car knowledge, don't you? Flip to page 20, and read the editorial. In case you can't seem the underlying message, it's that mag racing sucks and you shouldn't use their numbers as the end-all, be-all of performance measures. Now, since your own authority on cars is telling you that mag racing sucks, why are you using their numbers as ammo in your search for automotive supremacy? I'm afraid the very people that aquired the info you're so vehemently clinging to would be chuckling at you if they read this discussion.

I also find some deep underlying irony in a person from Mississippi calling others "idiots" and "rednecks" - I was born, raised, and educated in the South and every Southerner I know won't claim Mississippi folk as their brethren. Get ahead of Arkansas in percentage of population with indoor plumbing and we might start to recognize you as part of the South.

 

I highly recommend this read: http://www.nexttestdrive.net/p_of_speed.htm

 

Yes i did mean "drivers'". I didn't think you'd interpret the potential of a car to be a personal thing lol
Thats true, they may not have a lot of potential, but you'd think they would since all they do is drive cars and write about them. Even so, they use the same potential on all of the cars they drive.

 

I never said I was stock. And once my heads get back from the machine shop I will be well above stock. The great thing about have a Mustang is it easy to make good power. That is the nice thing about a V8 period. Oh way capitalize FORD you act like Nissan is not a mass car manufacture. Regardless of what you think FORD makes very good cars.

 

Read that editorial - MT has three different test drivers and a multitude of different test facilities. Couple that with the fact that they admit test conditions vary from month to month and you'll see that comparing MT's numbers from test to test is no better than comparing the numbers a specific car puts up from mag to mag.

That is why magazine racing sucks.

 

Word. Not to go off on a tangent but that's why I just can't get into autocross, time trialing, or even rally - there's no wheel to wheel action. Running in traffic is where it's at. Just be careful... because someone chooses to AutoX, TT, rally or drag doesn't mean they don't have the skills to wipe up someone who chooses to road race. I'm pretty sure Colin Mcrae could hand me my *** at Mid-Ohio...

 

Wow, that "unbeatable" 350Z with all its 289HP but still runs neck-and-neck with a fully-loaded Mustang GT As for the original "performance" number posted by this redline350Z idiot, lets look at some more reliable sources:

2003 Z06: 0-60 in 3.9seconds; standing 1/4 in 12.45@118mph
http://www.c5registry.com/2k2z06/index.htm

2003 Camaro SS: standing 1/4 in 13.25@106.42
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...tch/index.html

2001 Mustang GT Bullitt: standing 1/4 in 13.91@99mph
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...lit/index.html

2002 Mustang GT: standing 1/4 in 13.97@99mph
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...out/index.html

2003 Mustang SVT Cobra: standing 1/4 in 12.67@110mph
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...tch/index.html

2003 Mustang Mach 1: standing 1/4 in 13.13@105mph
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...ch1/index.html

2003 Nissan 350 Z: standing 1/4 in 14.3@100mph
http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/..._350z_data.pdf

What seems to be the confusion here? The 350Z is a nice car, but it just doesn't compare to good ol' American Muscle

 

Wow those are some nice unbiased sources you have there. Musclemustangfastfords.com? hahaha. Where's www.sport350zfastnissans.com's specs?

 

Hold on. I'm looking up the results from www.completelyunbiasedcarinformation.com. Wait, that doesn't exist. If you think that MT, C&D, R&T, and the other mainstream publications are unbiased you're kidding yourself. I'm a longtime reader of all of those (longtime subscriber for MT) and they all have their favorites. M3, WRX, 350Z and Z06 seem to be the current ones.

 

I have been reading posts over here for a few days and chose not to post until today.

Oneredline350z, with statements like, "I'm sorry everyone sees you as redneck, tornado bait white trash. But you did it to yourself. What more can I say", I'd say you are the one that is insecure. More than likely you've gotten a good case of road rage applied to you after you crossed paths with one of these "rednecks" and was invited to the side of the road where you chose to bypass. I'm proud as hell to be a redneck. This is about the last class of people that have any morals or decency left in the world. It's rednecks that help people in need. They are the ones that stop to help people stranded on the side of the road. It's rednecks that feed not only Americans, but the world. It's rednecks that serve our country especially in trying times as today. Firefighters, first responders and EMT's are rednecks. Your way of life and it's every breath is better off because of rednecks. Rednecks probably built your car. And just in case your wondering, there are educated rednecks. I have a BS from Florida State and I am a senior engineer for Fortune 100 company. But, some of the smartest men I've known were uneducated rednecks that were smarter than degreed engineers like my dad. He's no longer with me but he was the smartest person I ever knew. I chew on Redman, and hunt and fish when I can. My parents didn't allow me to play with dolls.

People with your attitude gets adjusted the older they get one way or another.

By the way, Caswell . There aint nothing like being around a bunch of southern gentlemen on a Saturday night at the track running some good redneck designed American muscle.

 

Where's my "proud to be a redneck" smiley when I need it!

 

I think this will be my last response to you.

If you don't know anything about it then don't tell me that it must not be the same car between a 2002 and a 2003. Do some research and you might not look like such a ... ah, I'll leave the insults to you. They're not really my thing.

Yes, but the thread starter does not know that. My first post was directed at him. Go back and read it and you'll see it refers to the person who started the thread ... that's not you. Am I allowed to address anyone other than you?

Same drivers, same cars, 12.5 and 12.9. Very accurate, yes, excellent reliable statistics All those times show me is that they don't have a clue as to what they're doing.

The closest possible way? I guess asking real people what they run in their cars would be a ridiculous idea?

Chris

 

Muscle "Mustangs" showing Chevy times ... how much more reliable do you want to get? Do you really think Chevy's biggest rival is going to inflate numbers for Chev? This is why I hate magazine racers. Only when the magazine is in their favor do they use it as a source.

Btw, if you don't think Car and Driver and Motortrend do not have a bias towards imports then you really are a blind follower that believes only what he wants to hear.

Chris

 

Well those magazines are a lot less biased than musclecarmustangsrule sites.

 

Blown Venom, just a correction. 2003 Camaro? ...

Chris

 

You don't really expect him to be able to back up that statement do you? They're better because he says so.

Chris

 

I see all but one time quote from that site being mustangs. I still want an import biased magazine to compare to the mustang biased specs.

Never said that they didn't, but they are surely not as biased as a Import Racer or American Muscle magazine.

 

Alright well I'm assuming you people have some common sense, but apperently you don't. Why would they chose their name to be about a single car if they didn't have a passion for it?
That's like saying that a conservative newspaper will give equal coverage of a reform point of view. Maybe in your own little world.