Bullitt, Z06, SS camaro: here's the facts.
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Bullitt, Z06, SS camaro: here's the facts.
Because there seems to have been an F body invasion on this forum I thought i'd post the actual performance specs from a reputable source for these cars. Everyone can then draw their own conclusions. Heres the numbers from this month's copy of motor trend (keep in mind that these are professional drivers with years of experience, not bubba joe at the local drag way).
'02 Z06---12.5
'03 Z06---12.9
'02 camaro ss---13.5 hahahaha
'01 mustang bullitt---14.1 bigger hahahahaha
Want to compare??? ok, let's do that: 350z touring (you know the one with all the add on options making it heavier than the others) 13.9. So, the ss camaro is running 13.5 (4 tenths faster) with 2.2 more liters of displacement. Where's all the speed going?? with an engine that much bigger than ours you should be killing us...but a measly 4 tenths of a second?? naw..it couldn't be a dated platform could it?? of course not
Just thought i'd add this pic. It sums it all up perfectly. It's from a website called mulletsgalore.com and his name is Camaro mullet. Doesn't a picture speak a thousand words?? hahaha
'02 Z06---12.5
'03 Z06---12.9
'02 camaro ss---13.5 hahahaha
'01 mustang bullitt---14.1 bigger hahahahaha
Want to compare??? ok, let's do that: 350z touring (you know the one with all the add on options making it heavier than the others) 13.9. So, the ss camaro is running 13.5 (4 tenths faster) with 2.2 more liters of displacement. Where's all the speed going?? with an engine that much bigger than ours you should be killing us...but a measly 4 tenths of a second?? naw..it couldn't be a dated platform could it?? of course not
Just thought i'd add this pic. It sums it all up perfectly. It's from a website called mulletsgalore.com and his name is Camaro mullet. Doesn't a picture speak a thousand words?? hahaha
I don't know man. Those are respectable numbers. Very respectable numbers for the Z06. For the money, I'll say those cars have a lot of bang for the buck. Plus, they're much easier to modify than our Zs.
Sure, their interiors are so so, sure they probably have more reliability issues. But hell, ya got give credit where credit is due.
Sure, their interiors are so so, sure they probably have more reliability issues. But hell, ya got give credit where credit is due.
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plenty of credit where due
Originally posted by hfm
I don't know man. Those are respectable numbers. Very respectable numbers for the Z06. For the money, I'll say those cars have a lot of bang for the buck. Plus, they're much easier to modify than our Zs.
Sure, their interiors are so so, sure they probably have more reliability issues. But hell, ya got give credit where credit is due.
I don't know man. Those are respectable numbers. Very respectable numbers for the Z06. For the money, I'll say those cars have a lot of bang for the buck. Plus, they're much easier to modify than our Zs.
Sure, their interiors are so so, sure they probably have more reliability issues. But hell, ya got give credit where credit is due.
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LOL! Unabashed mag racing, ricer arguements like hp/ltr. and Camaro "mullet" comments in the same post! The delusionial new car owner planets must finally be in alignment!
Thanks for the laughs
EDIT: Hey, where did you find my picture? I want royalties - imagine how many 12-packs of Stroh's I could buy with the cash!
Thanks for the laughs
EDIT: Hey, where did you find my picture? I want royalties - imagine how many 12-packs of Stroh's I could buy with the cash!
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Re: plenty of credit where due
Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
The first point i'm trying to make is that these guys are coming on here posting numbers like 11.6 for the z06 and 12.7 for ss camaors and that just isn't happening. Second, their engines are like 30-40 % bigger than ours and they are barely making more hp and are only marginally faster. Seems like a waste to me.
The first point i'm trying to make is that these guys are coming on here posting numbers like 11.6 for the z06 and 12.7 for ss camaors and that just isn't happening. Second, their engines are like 30-40 % bigger than ours and they are barely making more hp and are only marginally faster. Seems like a waste to me.
Maybe a better way to view these guys is that they're as enthused about their cars as we are of ours. It's working for me heh.
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If you want to magazine race...here is a quote from Car & Driver..."The 350Z Touring's 5.7-second run to 60 mph and 14.3-second quarter-mile..."
So 1 magazine gets 13.9 & another gets 14.3. There has been quite a few people get 12.8s & 12.9s in completely stock LS1s, even a couple of magazines have ran 12.8s stock. Redline have you had your car at the track? If so how did you do?
Most 350Z owners say, "well we will win in the curves." How many of you people actually race your cars in autocross? So that statement is a typical ricer excuse...just like most others, "well wait until I get this done....then I'll beat you."
Redline you sound like most other people that are pissed because they paid X amount of money for their 350Z & after all the mods can still get their *** handed to them by a stock f-body...
So 1 magazine gets 13.9 & another gets 14.3. There has been quite a few people get 12.8s & 12.9s in completely stock LS1s, even a couple of magazines have ran 12.8s stock. Redline have you had your car at the track? If so how did you do?
Most 350Z owners say, "well we will win in the curves." How many of you people actually race your cars in autocross? So that statement is a typical ricer excuse...just like most others, "well wait until I get this done....then I'll beat you."
Redline you sound like most other people that are pissed because they paid X amount of money for their 350Z & after all the mods can still get their *** handed to them by a stock f-body...
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Re: plenty of credit where due
Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
The first point i'm trying to make is that these guys are coming on here posting numbers like 11.6 for the z06 and 12.7 for ss camaors and that just isn't happening. Second, their engines are like 30-40 % bigger than ours and they are barely making more hp and are only marginally faster. Seems like a waste to me.
The first point i'm trying to make is that these guys are coming on here posting numbers like 11.6 for the z06 and 12.7 for ss camaors and that just isn't happening. Second, their engines are like 30-40 % bigger than ours and they are barely making more hp and are only marginally faster. Seems like a waste to me.
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Originally posted by n2o4mula
If you want to magazine race...here is a quote from Car & Driver..."The 350Z Touring's 5.7-second run to 60 mph and 14.3-second quarter-mile..."
So 1 magazine gets 13.9 & another gets 14.3. There has been quite a few people get 12.8s & 12.9s in completely stock LS1s, even a couple of magazines have ran 12.8s stock. Redline have you had your car at the track? If so how did you do?
Most 350Z owners say, "well we will win in the curves." How many of you people actually race your cars in autocross? So that statement is a typical ricer excuse...just like most others, "well wait until I get this done....then I'll beat you."
Redline you sound like most other people that are pissed because they paid X amount of money for their 350Z & after all the mods can still get their *** handed to them by a stock f-body...
If you want to magazine race...here is a quote from Car & Driver..."The 350Z Touring's 5.7-second run to 60 mph and 14.3-second quarter-mile..."
So 1 magazine gets 13.9 & another gets 14.3. There has been quite a few people get 12.8s & 12.9s in completely stock LS1s, even a couple of magazines have ran 12.8s stock. Redline have you had your car at the track? If so how did you do?
Most 350Z owners say, "well we will win in the curves." How many of you people actually race your cars in autocross? So that statement is a typical ricer excuse...just like most others, "well wait until I get this done....then I'll beat you."
Redline you sound like most other people that are pissed because they paid X amount of money for their 350Z & after all the mods can still get their *** handed to them by a stock f-body...
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Re: Re: plenty of credit where due
Originally posted by brandboZ28
To the first point, I dont think anyone said every LS1 runs a 12.8. There are some that are faster than others, just like in every other car. Secondly, true, the LS1 is bigger and from the factory is only making 50hp more than the Z but its a V-8 that gets 19-28mpg. How many others are out there that can put down those #'s and still be that efficient. Also, has anyone done everything there is to do to a 350Z yet? I know its new and there might not be many parts yet. They are still coming up with parts the LS1. What Im getting at is Im curious to see if it has 9's in it. If you dont believe that the LS1 can do it, go to LS1.com and look at the top 100.
To the first point, I dont think anyone said every LS1 runs a 12.8. There are some that are faster than others, just like in every other car. Secondly, true, the LS1 is bigger and from the factory is only making 50hp more than the Z but its a V-8 that gets 19-28mpg. How many others are out there that can put down those #'s and still be that efficient. Also, has anyone done everything there is to do to a 350Z yet? I know its new and there might not be many parts yet. They are still coming up with parts the LS1. What Im getting at is Im curious to see if it has 9's in it. If you dont believe that the LS1 can do it, go to LS1.com and look at the top 100.
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ricer?
Originally posted by Caswell
LOL! Unabashed mag racing, ricer arguements like hp/ltr. and Camaro "mullet" comments in the same post! The delusionial new car owner planets must finally be in alignment!
Thanks for the laughs
EDIT: Hey, where did you find my picture? I want royalties - imagine how many 12-packs of Stroh's I could buy with the cash!
LOL! Unabashed mag racing, ricer arguements like hp/ltr. and Camaro "mullet" comments in the same post! The delusionial new car owner planets must finally be in alignment!
Thanks for the laughs
EDIT: Hey, where did you find my picture? I want royalties - imagine how many 12-packs of Stroh's I could buy with the cash!
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Re: ricer?
Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
i've owned many new cars. never been delusional. The numbers are right there dude. take it for what it's worth. If you still want to argue after seeing the friggin numbers obviously you're the one that's delusional. Pissed that you not only bought a pos but that it's not all it's cracked up to be.
i've owned many new cars. never been delusional. The numbers are right there dude. take it for what it's worth. If you still want to argue after seeing the friggin numbers obviously you're the one that's delusional. Pissed that you not only bought a pos but that it's not all it's cracked up to be.
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If you guys are so confident that you have the ultimate bada$$ redneck machines, then why are you on the 350 forum defending your cars honor?? You don't see me over on LS1 telling lies about my car being able to run 12.9's. It's like every fbody and mustang owner rounds down a second off what they really run. Like, "my bullitt runs 13's, my ta runs 12.4's". It's bs. Im sorry you guys bought cars that lost 12k when you drove them off the lot because they're a dime a dozen and you can't give them away. I'm sorry everyone sees you as redneck, tornado bait white trash. But you did it to yourself. What more can I say?
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Redline 350Z,
Please Post that timeslip of you running a 13.9. I beleive that your car can run it but please post it to stop all this.
I really don't agree with you making derogatory comments about people just because of what car they drive. That is just childish. For someone as educated as you say you are, that is sad. Posts just like this came up when the 350's came out, and after a while it calmed down, you must not have been around. Ask CLS on this board, a 350Z owner what happened when we raced my 2000 SS against his Z. I am not bragging, but it happened . If I was going to buy a new car, the 350Z would be right up there. I am sure that your car is more tech advanced than mine, but the truth is, the LS1 IS faster in a straight line given equal drivers.
Please Post that timeslip of you running a 13.9. I beleive that your car can run it but please post it to stop all this.
I really don't agree with you making derogatory comments about people just because of what car they drive. That is just childish. For someone as educated as you say you are, that is sad. Posts just like this came up when the 350's came out, and after a while it calmed down, you must not have been around. Ask CLS on this board, a 350Z owner what happened when we raced my 2000 SS against his Z. I am not bragging, but it happened . If I was going to buy a new car, the 350Z would be right up there. I am sure that your car is more tech advanced than mine, but the truth is, the LS1 IS faster in a straight line given equal drivers.
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Re: funny..
Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
2 SCCA solo II events in the 350 so far. During the breakin period. Didn't get over 4000 rpms during the race and thrashed every fbody and mustang out there. As for drag racing, i'm running 13.9's with an injen intake. As for having my *** handed to me by fbodies, hasn't happended. The only instance was an fbody i raced on the street from a second gear launch. He didn't pull on me at all. It was dead even. And I don't care how much I paid for my car. It has more class and style than your car will every be capable of attaining. So flame on my happy fbody enthusiast.
2 SCCA solo II events in the 350 so far. During the breakin period. Didn't get over 4000 rpms during the race and thrashed every fbody and mustang out there. As for drag racing, i'm running 13.9's with an injen intake. As for having my *** handed to me by fbodies, hasn't happended. The only instance was an fbody i raced on the street from a second gear launch. He didn't pull on me at all. It was dead even. And I don't care how much I paid for my car. It has more class and style than your car will every be capable of attaining. So flame on my happy fbody enthusiast.
You may have seen a 13.5, and i've seen a 14.9 from a 350Z, the difference is i'm aware they're capable of faster and can accept that without feeling scared that my car is inferior, i bought it because i liked it, not becuse i want others to believe the same.
oh yess, class, something that can't be quantified and is completely subject to opinion, good argument there. now the displacement argument? it's called potential, not to say the 350Z doesn thave potential, simply not as much. If you would like a real list I suggest you visit a good sea level track with quality drivers, although that would make you look like quite the fool posting these numbers would it?
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If you guys are so confident that you have the ultimate bada$$ redneck machines, then why are you on the 350 forum defending your cars honor??
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Originally posted by FYRHWK1
You don't have the mental or physical capabilities to run a 13.9 in a 350Z, kids stuck in magazine land such as you can never back it up in the real world. your numbers for every car are consistent with someone whos insecure about his own cars capabilities, tell me do you really think that making numbers up makes your car better? it takes a sad individual to feel the need to run online and lie to soothe his mind about hsis own car.
You may have seen a 13.5, and i've seen a 14.9 from a 350Z, the difference is i'm aware they're capable of faster and can accept that without feeling scared that my car is inferior, i bought it because i liked it, not becuse i want others to believe the same.
oh yess, class, something that can't be quantified and is completely subject to opinion, good argument there. now the displacement argument? it's called potential, not to say the 350Z doesn thave potential, simply not as much. If you would like a real list I suggest you visit a good sea level track with quality drivers, although that would make you look like quite the fool posting these numbers would it?
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And to answer this question, I'm attempting to educate those like you to the real world, consider it my community service.
You don't have the mental or physical capabilities to run a 13.9 in a 350Z, kids stuck in magazine land such as you can never back it up in the real world. your numbers for every car are consistent with someone whos insecure about his own cars capabilities, tell me do you really think that making numbers up makes your car better? it takes a sad individual to feel the need to run online and lie to soothe his mind about hsis own car.
You may have seen a 13.5, and i've seen a 14.9 from a 350Z, the difference is i'm aware they're capable of faster and can accept that without feeling scared that my car is inferior, i bought it because i liked it, not becuse i want others to believe the same.
oh yess, class, something that can't be quantified and is completely subject to opinion, good argument there. now the displacement argument? it's called potential, not to say the 350Z doesn thave potential, simply not as much. If you would like a real list I suggest you visit a good sea level track with quality drivers, although that would make you look like quite the fool posting these numbers would it?
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And to answer this question, I'm attempting to educate those like you to the real world, consider it my community service.
77 SS Joe Golden Z06 0 0:42.159
39 HS Don Johnson Focus Zx3 2 0:43.552
33 HS Laura Johnson Focus Zx3 0 0:43.734
171 DS Ricky Ricks RSX-S 0 0:43.930
223 BS Mike Cason 350Z 0 0:43.942
129 SS John Smith Viper 0 0:44.814
71 DS David Shumaker RSX-S 0 0:45.002
03 HS Dan Eberhart S10 SS Truck 0 0:45.073
44 ES Craig Smith Miata 0 0:45.382
67 FS Nathan Darby Trans-Am 0 0:45.569
66 SS Chris Wright Z06 0 0:45.616
22 BS Gary Gray M3 0 0:46.005
77 GS Teddy Gibson Bmw 318ti 0 0:46.075
72 ESP Lee Cornett M535i 0 0:47.568
85 FS Billy jack Etheridge Capri 0 0:47.781
07 ESP Shedrick Flowers WRX 0 0:47.931
38 CSP Josh Querin Rx7 0 0:48.037
12 SM Ronald Christopher New Beetle 0 0:48.718
88 ESP Donald Jackson WRX 0 0:48.832
05 ASP Joel Wahlston 944 Turbo 0 0:48.860
56 SM2 Samuel Ticheli CRX 0 0:49.042
11 CS Ryland Hemphill Mr2 Spyder 0 0:49.465
777 HS Jon Evans Jetta 0 DNF
As for drag racing, i've been doing it since I was a boy. I'm twice the driver you'll ever be. And sea level???? I live in Mississippi you friggin idiot, how's that for sea level. I'll post my drag slips as soon as I can get them scanned.
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
2 SCCA solo II events in the 350 so far. During the breakin period. Didn't get over 4000 rpms during the race and thrashed every fbody and mustang out there. As for drag racing, i'm running 13.9's with an injen intake. As for having my *** handed to me by fbodies, hasn't happended. The only instance was an fbody i raced on the street from a second gear launch. He didn't pull on me at all. It was dead even. And I don't care how much I paid for my car. It has more class and style than your car will every be capable of attaining. So flame on my happy fbody enthusiast.
2 SCCA solo II events in the 350 so far. During the breakin period. Didn't get over 4000 rpms during the race and thrashed every fbody and mustang out there. As for drag racing, i'm running 13.9's with an injen intake. As for having my *** handed to me by fbodies, hasn't happended. The only instance was an fbody i raced on the street from a second gear launch. He didn't pull on me at all. It was dead even. And I don't care how much I paid for my car. It has more class and style than your car will every be capable of attaining. So flame on my happy fbody enthusiast.
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This is hilarious
You know, I started this thread to see just how many of you insecure LS1 drivers would respond. I must say the response has been overwhelming. I thank each and everyone of you for your meaningless and uninformed comments. We are all dumber for having read them. But thanks for making my point for me.
Adios.
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Originally posted by n2o4mula
If you want to magazine race...here is a quote from Car & Driver..."The 350Z Touring's 5.7-second run to 60 mph and 14.3-second quarter-mile..."
So 1 magazine gets 13.9 & another gets 14.3. There has been quite a few people get 12.8s & 12.9s in completely stock LS1s, even a couple of magazines have ran 12.8s stock. Redline have you had your car at the track? If so how did you do?
Most 350Z owners say, "well we will win in the curves." How many of you people actually race your cars in autocross? So that statement is a typical ricer excuse...just like most others, "well wait until I get this done....then I'll beat you."
Redline you sound like most other people that are pissed because they paid X amount of money for their 350Z & after all the mods can still get their *** handed to them by a stock f-body...
If you want to magazine race...here is a quote from Car & Driver..."The 350Z Touring's 5.7-second run to 60 mph and 14.3-second quarter-mile..."
So 1 magazine gets 13.9 & another gets 14.3. There has been quite a few people get 12.8s & 12.9s in completely stock LS1s, even a couple of magazines have ran 12.8s stock. Redline have you had your car at the track? If so how did you do?
Most 350Z owners say, "well we will win in the curves." How many of you people actually race your cars in autocross? So that statement is a typical ricer excuse...just like most others, "well wait until I get this done....then I'll beat you."
Redline you sound like most other people that are pissed because they paid X amount of money for their 350Z & after all the mods can still get their *** handed to them by a stock f-body...
why are u trying to compare Redline's driving skills to anyone else's? again that was not his point. your comment about other people getting 12.8 and 129's is irrelevant. again relating to the scientific process.
we say we'd win in the curves because we would. the 350z is a sports car, an LS1 is a muscle car. by definition we have a better handling car, one that feels more balanced. sure u can make an LS1 make up for its bulkyness around corners by it's raw power, but we don't. any extra power we get is just a bonus, not a compensation. IN THE SPORTS CAR POINT OF VIEW. not muscle car. a z06 is a different story, in which we can't use that arguement. or i should say, fact.
X amount of money on our 350z's? what are u thinking? the car hasnt even been out long enough for MAJOR mods to have MAJOR affects. you have no sure evidence what the 350z is capable of. as for camaros and corvettes, they've been around forever, and everyone knows their potential. so why would we be pissed? we have more to look forward to than u ever will with your discontinued LS1 or your accomplished z06.
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Re: Re: Re: plenty of credit where due
Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
sure they did say 12.8...read crazybosnians post, uh, i mean, lie titled "i hope this moron isn't on this forum".
sure they did say 12.8...read crazybosnians post, uh, i mean, lie titled "i hope this moron isn't on this forum".