That's your opinion. I've read them for years, and their bias towards their favorite cars is pretty obvious. I'm a lover of all cars (find one comment from me here bashing the 350Z) but even I've learned to take any car review with a grain of salt.

The fact that you're admitting any bias is just another reason mag racing sucks. BTW, you still haven't responded to my original thoughts on why mag racing sucks. Penny for your thoughts?

EDIT: typos, typos, typos...

 

Ya and I'm sure people are going to tell you exactly how THEIR car performs in relation to a competitor's car. And how do you know these drivers are any good to begin with?
Do you have a better way?

And no, you're only allowed to talk to me

 

I didn't respond because you were correct, magazine racing does suck, but it still the closest comparison possible.
Please inform me of a better, equal playing field, non-biased way?

 

There's not. That's why posts like this thread's original one are pointless at best, and trolling at worst. Mag racing is pointless, and right up there with the guys that add up the advertised hp gains aftermarket parts give them as far as things real car guys shouldn't do.

Every time I've gotten into a mag racing session I eventually realize it and excuse myself from it, apologizing to anyone I've flamed in the process. I humbly advise anyone else to do the same

 

You're just full of insults and not much insight aren't you?

Muscle Mustangs also published a stock 12 second run for a BMW M3. Does that help you out in your worry about being domestic bias? Car and Driver or any of the other magazine have never gotten that good of a time for an M3. MMFF published great times for just about every car they get in. They publish "the best" times they can. Something the other magazines do not do.

Try again, and maybe use some of the common sense you think everyone else lacks.

Chris

 

I've been laughing my *** off at this thread! You little boys sure know how to tune those magazines for the most horsepower per lilter.

All the magazines on all the magazine racks in the world can say what they want, but in the real world where I live and race, I'll smoke 350z's all day long without breaking a sweat.

I expected a whole lot more out of these cars because of all the hype surrounding them, but the first time I went up against one, I was truly disappointed. IMO, a stock Mustang GT is about on par, performance-wise with a stock 350z. If you think you're going to blow away SS Camaro's, Bullitts, Cobra's, Mach 1's, and Z28's, you're living in a fantasy world.

 

I second that!

 

Me too.

 

What in the hell does bias have to do with it? These websites are testing their OWN cars! EXAMPLE: "MM&FF" are testing MUSTANGS, not Nissans! There are no bias in testing your own vehicles, its pure fact. Road & Track was the only website I could find with 350Z perfommance numbers.

Yeah, the 350Z was the ONLY car running in the 14's, so that makes the sources biased, correct? Why is it that BS flows freely from your mouths, yet truth is hard to swallow? Accept it. Whats the big deal anyway?

The 350Z is a amazing car performance-wise considering the engine it has and such, but it still doesn't compete with current V8 muscle.....I'm so sorry, but its reality

 

Your a true @sshole. To everyone reading this thread, this is a prime example of someone who doesn't know his head from his ***. Put the magazines down and actually go to the track.

I don't really like F-bodies myself, but I respect them. You are a plain idiot for posting this garbage. If you think that a Z can run with a LS1, you are crazy and need to seek help right away. Grow up and treat others with respect.

 

Wow...now this post should help the 350Z owners put things in perspective ....Like I said before slow your roll juniors...you have a nice car but it isn't "ALL THAT"

 

because of the trap and time i just saw a Z post 103 mph with a 2.4 60' i believe a well launched Z might go 13.5


that said i personally saw an SS '02 bone *** stock tires wheels all with dealer installed optional SLP exhaust go 13.0 in florida ,where times tend to be higher then cooler more dry parts of the country...i hear Z-06's are capable of low 12's stock but havent seen it, 12.6 i think, is the best ive seen...and on a good day a bullet will probablly go 13.9 again havent witnessed it, but, it can be done ...the hardest thing about getting these numbers is the 60' ...this is where the drivers step up ,and the amatures show there weakness...

the opinions expressed here in, are my own and not those of the my350Z board or their affiliates...

 

Well, we've heard from the mag-racing riceboys and the trailer-dwelling rednecks. I've posted before about personally seeing stock LS1's go 12's, reading about it etc.. It just doesn't seem to sink in. The amount of BS floating around in this thread is amazing. Does anybody here actually race their cars?

 

that was too much information, but it's not uncommon for people to feel happy i took my time to educate them. what can I say, i was bored and feeling exceptionally helpful today. And rest assured, there would be no battle, I don't pick on those less capable then I, you certainly apply.

sure, and maybe if you pretend real hard, that guy will be you one day! Glad you're pretend world is so vivid, however your apparent lack of experience tells me otherwise.

sure you are, just like you win ALL the time against Z06s, etc in your 350Z, and I'm supposed to know your mississippi track is sea level how? I did say a GOOD one as well, that includes one with a well maintained launch pad...

HAAAHAHAHAHAAAHA, this is good stuff, whats wrong, you starting to realize everyone knows your numbers are ********? don't tell me you're pulling out now, with your infinite lack of wisdom surely you have more baseless opinions to try and pass off as facts?
I wish i would have stated I already knew you would try a lame post like this, it was too obvious, i supose i gave you a bit too much credit though. rest assured though, i'm positive there's a few stupid fanboys who still believe you.

Just to clarify, you didn't have any plan about this post, you were lamely trying to soothe your own conscience, anyone with as many wins as you claim would be intelligent enough to realize displacement and stock 1/4 mile times are pathetic arguments, especially when you have to lie about them to make up the full second difference between the Fbody.

 

Apperently im the only one in here in this post that doesn't have a mustang or an F-body. nice to get some help, its kinda one sided... but anyway
My original reply to this post was that magazine times are good for comparison value, nothing more. But apperently nobody can read because I got flamed anyway. You people need to learn to read.

 

I used to run 13.4 at 106-107 stock with 400miles on the car. After the LID and catback my car runs 13.0's at 109-110 in 95+ in the summer. I'm sure i will beat a 350Z without using 2nd gear since i did try running 1st to 3rd and got 13.7 at 103. Also when racing from a roll, trapspeed is all what matters. I don't know how did a car that traps 100 hang with a car that traps at least 105. 5mph difference is a big gap. When i did added the LID and catback i gained 33rwhp and 24rwtq and it did give me around 3-4mph increase and dropped .4 sec. So 5mph difference will result in at least .5sec faster and thats around 50rwhp difference too given the same weight.

 

Haha,
This is about the funniest topic i have ever read about. Seems like redline pulled his head out of his *** and realized he was wrong. What a dousche. He has all these trophies and probably has a shrine of himself, yet he still uses mags as his source for all knowledge. Sounds like a ricer with money. Probably a nerd in highschool who got picked on. Thought he said somewhere "a 350Z might run 9's,somethin an LS1 will never do." Lol, SAM (school of automotive machinists) had a 9 second naturally aspirated Ls1, so he can stick that on up there with his head. He needs to suck it up, admit he drives an inferior car, and get on with it. In my opinion, they're ugly, slow, and gay. Thats just me, i dont see the big fuss. And he said somethin about class. How is a car that isnt a year old gonna have class. Umm, 35 years?? Now thats a car with class. 35 years speaks for itself. Reading redlines post are so funny, and uplifting. I thank god everyday im not that ignorant. All i'm saying is you are the most ignorant car enthusiast i have ever seen. Ever. Please crawl back under that rock you apparently came out of and do us all a favor.

 

If camaro's are so classy why is chevrolet discontinuing them? Because they can't compete with the Mustang, thats why. Now there's class if i've ever seen it.

 

Somebody please close this thread down I think the facts have been stated. One more thing though alot of magazine runs are done on different days. The time you run in a car can vary wildly from day to day, depending on the weather. And also different drivers are used. The Camaro test that was originaly stated was done like 8 months before the 350Z and since they rarely publish the track conditions who knows, yes if the same driver is used and the same track on the same day then yes magazine times could be decent for comparison, but in this case that didnt happen.

 

some of you guys really need to grow up, we are all car enthusiats. if you dont believe ls1's can get into 9's then check out this vid:http://www.rapidmotorsports.com/mult..._rapid_951.wmv

on another note your talking about how z's should be faster than ls1's afterall, your only 4 tenths off right? if your comparing thos bs numbers, why dont you compare the ultimate number, and look at price. sorry but 34-37k for z 350 z, and 24-28k for a ls1...and were still faster? how about room? how much room you guys got again? i have sat in a few i know trust me. not the most roomy....but after all, were only 4 tenths faster right? how about twiestes, u guys can beat us in the twisties right? your slalom is 65.6 / vs our 64.6.....1 mph....but if you guys really wanna pay 9 more g's for that 1 mph, by all means knock yourself out. by the way im saying this WITH the BS fact that the 350Z is a 13.9 car and a LS1 is a 13.5 car, those numbers make me laugh period.

also, we all have mullets your saying? or were rednecks? lol thats really funny, so all you guys are little asians?