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Ok, so a single turbo supra races a stock 350? Why? Seems this supra dude is needing to make up for some feelings of inadequacy. But this senario reminds me of a race I was involved in about 4 months ago. Around here a lot of guys meet up on friday nights and go "highway race" like in the video. Mostly just kids in ricers but a couple dudes have some real machines (600hp and a 400hp supra out there). So i'm out on my cbr 929 and I roll into the parking lot where they are. The driver of the 600 horse car is a pretty cool guy and we talk ***** a bit. Then his obnoxious little buddy suggests a race. Yeah, between my bike and this car. I'm up for it but the driver is a little reluctant. After some prodding by his buddy, he agrees. So we and a few other cars (an integra, a grand prix i think, and an n/a 3000gt) head out to the interstate that circles the city. We make our first run from first gear and it's not even a race; i mean i walked him so bad it was silly. So we turn around and do it again. From first gear: he actually hangs, i was very impressed. second gear, uh oh...i pull a little. Third gear it's all over, all he can see is my little fading tail light. Seems a little unfair doesn't it?? yeah, well, think about that before you start thrashing on cars that are so new there isn't even a substantial aftermarket developed yet.
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Re: This is lame
Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
Ok, so a single turbo supra races a stock 350? Why? Seems this supra dude is needing to make up for some feelings of inadequacy. But this senario reminds me of a race I was involved in about 4 months ago. Around here a lot of guys meet up on friday nights and go "highway race" like in the video. Mostly just kids in ricers but a couple dudes have some real machines (600hp and a 400hp supra out there). So i'm out on my cbr 929 and I roll into the parking lot where they are. The driver of the 600 horse car is a pretty cool guy and we talk ***** a bit. Then his obnoxious little buddy suggests a race. Yeah, between my bike and this car. I'm up for it but the driver is a little reluctant. After some prodding by his buddy, he agrees. So we and a few other cars (an integra, a grand prix i think, and an n/a 3000gt) head out to the interstate that circles the city. We make our first run from first gear and it's not even a race; i mean i walked him so bad it was silly. So we turn around and do it again. From first gear: he actually hangs, i was very impressed. second gear, uh oh...i pull a little. Third gear it's all over, all he can see is my little fading tail light. Seems a little unfair doesn't it?? yeah, well, think about that before you start thrashing on cars that are so new there isn't even a substantial aftermarket developed yet.
Ok, so a single turbo supra races a stock 350? Why? Seems this supra dude is needing to make up for some feelings of inadequacy. But this senario reminds me of a race I was involved in about 4 months ago. Around here a lot of guys meet up on friday nights and go "highway race" like in the video. Mostly just kids in ricers but a couple dudes have some real machines (600hp and a 400hp supra out there). So i'm out on my cbr 929 and I roll into the parking lot where they are. The driver of the 600 horse car is a pretty cool guy and we talk ***** a bit. Then his obnoxious little buddy suggests a race. Yeah, between my bike and this car. I'm up for it but the driver is a little reluctant. After some prodding by his buddy, he agrees. So we and a few other cars (an integra, a grand prix i think, and an n/a 3000gt) head out to the interstate that circles the city. We make our first run from first gear and it's not even a race; i mean i walked him so bad it was silly. So we turn around and do it again. From first gear: he actually hangs, i was very impressed. second gear, uh oh...i pull a little. Third gear it's all over, all he can see is my little fading tail light. Seems a little unfair doesn't it?? yeah, well, think about that before you start thrashing on cars that are so new there isn't even a substantial aftermarket developed yet.
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I don't see how you guys can compare these two cars. Both are very bountiful machines, but with different things in mind. My friend just purchased new 350Z with brembos and everything. For the price he got it, you can not get anything better brand new. I absolutely love how the car looks. Give it some time and you’ll see high power 350z around. And highway pulls are for people to see which car is faster in straight line. I agree, it doesn’t take much skill to race from the roll, but remember, it's not easy to lunch 500rwhp vehicle from dead stop vs. 250rwhp car. In my car I will spin badly in first gear all the way up to redline and same thing with second up to 4.5K rpms. But the race logic system should fix that soon 
Everyone get along and be safe out there.
P.S. Not every Supra spools as slow as that one.
Me vs 450rwhp C5 with gears before tuning, 460rwhp. I missed 5th gear.
This time I didn't miss and let off at about 160+mph
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Everyone get along and be safe out there.P.S. Not every Supra spools as slow as that one.
Me vs 450rwhp C5 with gears before tuning, 460rwhp. I missed 5th gear.
This time I didn't miss and let off at about 160+mph
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
cool...so bring yours and i'll smoke you too. heh, brung....
cool...so bring yours and i'll smoke you too. heh, brung....
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Originally posted by sukkoi19
With what? Your little bike? Sorry "tough", I forgot who I was talking to "tough". If your thinking your car got something on mine your in for a big time reality check. Take your pick Mustang or Camaro I dont care which. Maybe we can do both and you can tell me which of my taillights you like best. PUUUHHHLLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE!!!!!!!
With what? Your little bike? Sorry "tough", I forgot who I was talking to "tough". If your thinking your car got something on mine your in for a big time reality check. Take your pick Mustang or Camaro I dont care which. Maybe we can do both and you can tell me which of my taillights you like best. PUUUHHHLLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE!!!!!!!
. But I guess your ford is supercharged or something, right (i hope that's what that holley pos is on your car). Cause if it's not supercharged i'll hand you your a$$ in that underpowered 95 rustoleum. But hey, this is great fun, FLAME ON!
a few questions
1. Why do people come over here, talk crap and then go back to their respective forums and say that Z owners are jerks (AREN'T owners of EVERY car a little defensive about thier cars??? I have been on VWvortex (wife drives a VW Jetta 1.8t with GIAC chip, K&N, new DV valve, 18" wheels, and H&R springs) and on Clubsi (I used to have a Civic coupe EX and a 1999 Si), this defensiveness is NOTHING unique to Z owners)!!!
2.Why the Hell are we comparing a 450 HP or 600 HP or whatever Supra VS a 287HP Z????? what do you expect the results to be???? Shouldn't we be comparing it to a 996 TT or something??? btw, a lot of supras make more HP and are faster than a 360 Modena, does that mean I would rather have the Supra??? NOPE!!! But, I still like the supra, I respect it, they are fast. I remember seeing STOCK 0-60 times of 4.6!!!!! that is INSANE, so why are we comparing MODDED Supras, when a stock Z would have its hands full with a stock supra
3. THIS IS A SINCERE question. is it me or have Supras really gone away from the track seen and gone towards the drag seen??? they seemed to be more of a drag car now VS a handling car.
1. Why do people come over here, talk crap and then go back to their respective forums and say that Z owners are jerks (AREN'T owners of EVERY car a little defensive about thier cars??? I have been on VWvortex (wife drives a VW Jetta 1.8t with GIAC chip, K&N, new DV valve, 18" wheels, and H&R springs) and on Clubsi (I used to have a Civic coupe EX and a 1999 Si), this defensiveness is NOTHING unique to Z owners)!!!
2.Why the Hell are we comparing a 450 HP or 600 HP or whatever Supra VS a 287HP Z????? what do you expect the results to be???? Shouldn't we be comparing it to a 996 TT or something??? btw, a lot of supras make more HP and are faster than a 360 Modena, does that mean I would rather have the Supra??? NOPE!!! But, I still like the supra, I respect it, they are fast. I remember seeing STOCK 0-60 times of 4.6!!!!! that is INSANE, so why are we comparing MODDED Supras, when a stock Z would have its hands full with a stock supra
3. THIS IS A SINCERE question. is it me or have Supras really gone away from the track seen and gone towards the drag seen??? they seemed to be more of a drag car now VS a handling car.
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
Is that a joke?? little bike? 929=not little. 929=i'll give you 6 car lengths in either of your cars and race you for 500 bucks (race what you "brung", you said it). As for my car....It would be a driver's race in your crapmaro. Yesterday I raced a new SS camaro on the highway and from a 2nd gear start. He didn't start pulling on me until the top of 4th gear; and yours is not an SS?. And mustangs?? if I had a buck for every rustang I could pull out of my tailpipes i'd do you a favor and buy you a psych consult for those delusions of grandeur which seem to confound you so (13.1 in a stock camaro. But I guess your ford is supercharged or something, right (i hope that's what that holley pos is on your car). Cause if it's not supercharged i'll hand you your a$$ in that underpowered 95 rustoleum.
But hey, this is great fun, FLAME ON!
Is that a joke?? little bike? 929=not little. 929=i'll give you 6 car lengths in either of your cars and race you for 500 bucks (race what you "brung", you said it). As for my car....It would be a driver's race in your crapmaro. Yesterday I raced a new SS camaro on the highway and from a 2nd gear start. He didn't start pulling on me until the top of 4th gear; and yours is not an SS?. And mustangs?? if I had a buck for every rustang I could pull out of my tailpipes i'd do you a favor and buy you a psych consult for those delusions of grandeur which seem to confound you so (13.1 in a stock camaro
. But I guess your ford is supercharged or something, right (i hope that's what that holley pos is on your car). Cause if it's not supercharged i'll hand you your a$$ in that underpowered 95 rustoleum. But hey, this is great fun, FLAME ON!
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
Is that a joke?? little bike? 929=not little. 929=i'll give you 6 car lengths in either of your cars and race you for 500 bucks (race what you "brung", you said it). As for my car....It would be a driver's race in your crapmaro. Yesterday I raced a new SS camaro on the highway and from a 2nd gear start. He didn't start pulling on me until the top of 4th gear; and yours is not an SS?. And mustangs?? if I had a buck for every rustang I could pull out of my tailpipes i'd do you a favor and buy you a psych consult for those delusions of grandeur which seem to confound you so (13.1 in a stock camaro. But I guess your ford is supercharged or something, right (i hope that's what that holley pos is on your car). Cause if it's not supercharged i'll hand you your a$$ in that underpowered 95 rustoleum.
But hey, this is great fun, FLAME ON!
Is that a joke?? little bike? 929=not little. 929=i'll give you 6 car lengths in either of your cars and race you for 500 bucks (race what you "brung", you said it). As for my car....It would be a driver's race in your crapmaro. Yesterday I raced a new SS camaro on the highway and from a 2nd gear start. He didn't start pulling on me until the top of 4th gear; and yours is not an SS?. And mustangs?? if I had a buck for every rustang I could pull out of my tailpipes i'd do you a favor and buy you a psych consult for those delusions of grandeur which seem to confound you so (13.1 in a stock camaro
. But I guess your ford is supercharged or something, right (i hope that's what that holley pos is on your car). Cause if it's not supercharged i'll hand you your a$$ in that underpowered 95 rustoleum. But hey, this is great fun, FLAME ON!
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Originally posted by rodH
a few questions
1. Why do people come over here, talk crap and then go back to their respective forums and say that Z owners are jerks (AREN'T owners of EVERY car a little defensive about thier cars??? I have been on VWvortex (wife drives a VW Jetta 1.8t with GIAC chip, K&N, new DV valve, 18" wheels, and H&R springs) and on Clubsi (I used to have a Civic coupe EX and a 1999 Si), this defensiveness is NOTHING unique to Z owners)!!!
2.Why the Hell are we comparing a 450 HP or 600 HP or whatever Supra VS a 287HP Z????? what do you expect the results to be???? Shouldn't we be comparing it to a 996 TT or something??? btw, a lot of supras make more HP and are faster than a 360 Modena, does that mean I would rather have the Supra??? NOPE!!! But, I still like the supra, I respect it, they are fast. I remember seeing STOCK 0-60 times of 4.6!!!!! that is INSANE, so why are we comparing MODDED Supras, when a stock Z would have its hands full with a stock supra
3. THIS IS A SINCERE question. is it me or have Supras really gone away from the track seen and gone towards the drag seen??? they seemed to be more of a drag car now VS a handling car.
a few questions
1. Why do people come over here, talk crap and then go back to their respective forums and say that Z owners are jerks (AREN'T owners of EVERY car a little defensive about thier cars??? I have been on VWvortex (wife drives a VW Jetta 1.8t with GIAC chip, K&N, new DV valve, 18" wheels, and H&R springs) and on Clubsi (I used to have a Civic coupe EX and a 1999 Si), this defensiveness is NOTHING unique to Z owners)!!!
2.Why the Hell are we comparing a 450 HP or 600 HP or whatever Supra VS a 287HP Z????? what do you expect the results to be???? Shouldn't we be comparing it to a 996 TT or something??? btw, a lot of supras make more HP and are faster than a 360 Modena, does that mean I would rather have the Supra??? NOPE!!! But, I still like the supra, I respect it, they are fast. I remember seeing STOCK 0-60 times of 4.6!!!!! that is INSANE, so why are we comparing MODDED Supras, when a stock Z would have its hands full with a stock supra
3. THIS IS A SINCERE question. is it me or have Supras really gone away from the track seen and gone towards the drag seen??? they seemed to be more of a drag car now VS a handling car.
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He whooped my ***. No excuses he's a faster car then i am. He put 430 to the ground. I NEVER and i mean NEVER said i could hang with him. He was going to race a supercharged WS-6 and i asked if i could jump in for fun, I even said i'd be the chase car since i was going to get smoked anyway. Him and his buddies kept asking me to go out to some races with them. None of the Vipers or Lamborgini's would race him so i told him lets go do it me and you just for fun. For me putting down 200 less hp then him i think i held my own damn good. He DID not give me a lead like he said cause soon as i punched it and got the jump i heard him punch it. I was just quicker. We punched it from 45 and he didn't catch me till about 100. Not bad if you ask me.
Anyways i'm out the door to meet a couple 350z guys at a AutoX event, If the kid in the supra knew how to drive i would invite him but no thanks. I'll post pics when i get back, maybe some video.
And i BIKE will win !
Anyways i'm out the door to meet a couple 350z guys at a AutoX event, If the kid in the supra knew how to drive i would invite him but no thanks. I'll post pics when i get back, maybe some video.
And i BIKE will win !
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Originally posted by sukkoi19
Insert foot in mouth here. What a tool. Yeah right its run what you brung, and I sure as hell aint bringing a car to a bike race. You know I just love it when people that know absolutly nothing about cars blab on about how they are going to wax this or smoke that. Yeah yeah whatever I guess your new to these abbreviations and acronyms H/C/I=Heads, Cam, Intake. But sh*t you got a bad *** new ride the 350Z can never loOse. I guess in your infinite car wisdom you can completly discount the 5.0L Mustang. Oh and btw if your discounting posted 1/4 times you better take a long look at everybodys here. I mean how short sighted can you be you just said your going beat a low 12 sec street car with a low 14 sec street car you must really be counting on driver error in this case. But whatever youve got a serious chip on your shoulder and your never going to see the obvious so Im putting you on my ignore list so buh bye.
Insert foot in mouth here. What a tool. Yeah right its run what you brung, and I sure as hell aint bringing a car to a bike race. You know I just love it when people that know absolutly nothing about cars blab on about how they are going to wax this or smoke that. Yeah yeah whatever I guess your new to these abbreviations and acronyms H/C/I=Heads, Cam, Intake. But sh*t you got a bad *** new ride the 350Z can never loOse. I guess in your infinite car wisdom you can completly discount the 5.0L Mustang. Oh and btw if your discounting posted 1/4 times you better take a long look at everybodys here. I mean how short sighted can you be you just said your going beat a low 12 sec street car with a low 14 sec street car you must really be counting on driver error in this case. But whatever youve got a serious chip on your shoulder and your never going to see the obvious so Im putting you on my ignore list so buh bye.
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
You're the tool who comes on 350 forums telling lies about how fast your cars are. My 350 can lose, sure it can. I lost to the SS on the highway and from the 2nd gear start. But I gave him a hell of a race being that I have a 1/3 less engine and what 30 less hp. Didn't the '95 mustangs have 215hp, and didn't they only run low 15's in the 1/4? I believe so, but if my numbers are off it's because I don't care about your '95 Ford POS and neither do most other people outside of your delusional little ford circles. As for your camaro, i said it would be a drivers race. When did i say I would beat a 12 sec street car???? I mean WTF....not that your camaro will run in the 12's. And what are you? like 12 years old??? you come on here and give your rebuttal ( oh, i guess it's not really a rebuttal given that you gave no opposing evidence other than more bs) then say, i'm putting you on my ignore list, buh bye. hahahahahahaha..jesus MOMMY, I'm not going to play with tommy anymore, he hurt my feewings.....
You're the tool who comes on 350 forums telling lies about how fast your cars are. My 350 can lose, sure it can. I lost to the SS on the highway and from the 2nd gear start. But I gave him a hell of a race being that I have a 1/3 less engine and what 30 less hp. Didn't the '95 mustangs have 215hp, and didn't they only run low 15's in the 1/4? I believe so, but if my numbers are off it's because I don't care about your '95 Ford POS and neither do most other people outside of your delusional little ford circles. As for your camaro, i said it would be a drivers race. When did i say I would beat a 12 sec street car???? I mean WTF....not that your camaro will run in the 12's. And what are you? like 12 years old??? you come on here and give your rebuttal ( oh, i guess it's not really a rebuttal given that you gave no opposing evidence other than more bs) then say, i'm putting you on my ignore list, buh bye. hahahahahahaha..jesus MOMMY, I'm not going to play with tommy anymore, he hurt my feewings.....
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Originally posted by OCG35Coupe
LS1's dyno at around 280-300 RWHP regulary. They are underrated.
LS1's dyno at around 280-300 RWHP regulary. They are underrated.
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Originally posted by 1.8troll
Many uncertainties here. If TT 350Z and a single T supra were to race with equal drivers, I would still go with the Supra for many reasons. 1. You average single turbo kit on Supras makes 650rwhp, step up to a bigger turbo, mid 700's at the wheels and so on. 2. The supra has be tried and tested.....the car is very overbuilt and all of the driveline parts and engine parts have been proven to handle the abuse for a while before going out. 3. We are not really sure how the 350Z will respond to boost or how much stock internals can take. My educated guess would be about 10psi max and that would be pushing it. Then again, it is still a guess. Now, the general rule of thumb for increased power from boost is half of your hp increases with every 7psi(or half ordinary atmospheric pressure). So, say a 350z makes 250whp stock. That means on 7psi it will roughly(and I emphasize roughtly) make ~370whp. So, you looking at having to boost in the high teens to make 6XXwhp to be able to give you enough to take a Single T supra. This would almost definitely require built internals, but like I said, people have pulled off these boost levels before on engines not built for boost. Turbos, IC(s), fuel, and tune all depend on the power the car will actually make. With all this said, the 350z is an exceptional sports car. Quick, nice handling, good looks, good braking.....it does everything very well and for the price it can't be beat.
Many uncertainties here. If TT 350Z and a single T supra were to race with equal drivers, I would still go with the Supra for many reasons. 1. You average single turbo kit on Supras makes 650rwhp, step up to a bigger turbo, mid 700's at the wheels and so on. 2. The supra has be tried and tested.....the car is very overbuilt and all of the driveline parts and engine parts have been proven to handle the abuse for a while before going out. 3. We are not really sure how the 350Z will respond to boost or how much stock internals can take. My educated guess would be about 10psi max and that would be pushing it. Then again, it is still a guess. Now, the general rule of thumb for increased power from boost is half of your hp increases with every 7psi(or half ordinary atmospheric pressure). So, say a 350z makes 250whp stock. That means on 7psi it will roughly(and I emphasize roughtly) make ~370whp. So, you looking at having to boost in the high teens to make 6XXwhp to be able to give you enough to take a Single T supra. This would almost definitely require built internals, but like I said, people have pulled off these boost levels before on engines not built for boost. Turbos, IC(s), fuel, and tune all depend on the power the car will actually make. With all this said, the 350z is an exceptional sports car. Quick, nice handling, good looks, good braking.....it does everything very well and for the price it can't be beat.
The 350s put on more than 90 rwhp stock over the maximas. I am quite sure the 350Z engine can take at least 11 psi without even breaking a sweat. 14 psi should be doable. I dont see 550 rwhp out of reach for a relatively stock 350Z with a bi-turbo setup.
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Originally posted by Finality
Judging from the maxima community one 4th gen owner (150 fwhp STOCK) puts down ~412 bhp @ 12.5 psi again fwhp. Thats with completely stock internals read no cams etc.
The 350s put on more than 90 rwhp stock over the maximas. I am quite sure the 350Z engine can take at least 11 psi without even breaking a sweat. 14 psi should be doable. I dont see 550 rwhp out of reach for a relatively stock 350Z with a bi-turbo setup.
Judging from the maxima community one 4th gen owner (150 fwhp STOCK) puts down ~412 bhp @ 12.5 psi again fwhp. Thats with completely stock internals read no cams etc.
The 350s put on more than 90 rwhp stock over the maximas. I am quite sure the 350Z engine can take at least 11 psi without even breaking a sweat. 14 psi should be doable. I dont see 550 rwhp out of reach for a relatively stock 350Z with a bi-turbo setup.
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I was slightly wrong while the internals are still stock he does have a Variable intake which adds 22 fwhp over the 160 fwhp stock (stick).
For more info on the turbo kits see these links. Someone should really get in touch with these guys. While I understand Turboing the Z would be a bit more complicated it would probably be worth the time and effort. I would go out on a limb and say if someone stuck in a TT setup with mid sized turbos running 11 psi would net AT LEAST 440 rwhp, running about $8000-$10,000 installed with stock internals. Might want to wait for bigger injectors before pushing that much boost though. Does Nismo have anything yet? Of course the usual stuff like oil & tranny coolers would also be a good idea
http://www.turbomaxima.com/index.php
http://www.hlh0501.com/pics-turbo.htm
See the top of this thread for Turbo97SEs FWHP. The VQ engines are much stronger than most people give them credit for.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=196883
For more info on the turbo kits see these links. Someone should really get in touch with these guys. While I understand Turboing the Z would be a bit more complicated it would probably be worth the time and effort. I would go out on a limb and say if someone stuck in a TT setup with mid sized turbos running 11 psi would net AT LEAST 440 rwhp, running about $8000-$10,000 installed with stock internals. Might want to wait for bigger injectors before pushing that much boost though. Does Nismo have anything yet? Of course the usual stuff like oil & tranny coolers would also be a good idea
http://www.turbomaxima.com/index.php
http://www.hlh0501.com/pics-turbo.htm
See the top of this thread for Turbo97SEs FWHP. The VQ engines are much stronger than most people give them credit for.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=196883