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04-22-2003, 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
70? interesting.....I wonder why gm lets their cars be underrated like that.....and i wonder why my friends LS1 Z28 is only dynoing around 315 with intake. Your car is the bomb man....they must have added some extra displacement for ya at the factory that day.
But hey, since we're tellin tales...my 350 is underrated too....it dynos 375rwhp and i've actually done mods to slow it down (putting tar in my engine, replacing stock tires with bald all season radials, and adding an exhaust from an 88 accord). But still 375 rwhp....crazy!
70? interesting.....I wonder why gm lets their cars be underrated like that.....and i wonder why my friends LS1 Z28 is only dynoing around 315 with intake. Your car is the bomb man....they must have added some extra displacement for ya at the factory that day.
But hey, since we're tellin tales...my 350 is underrated too....it dynos 375rwhp and i've actually done mods to slow it down (putting tar in my engine, replacing stock tires with bald all season radials, and adding an exhaust from an 88 accord). But still 375 rwhp....crazy!
04-23-2003, 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by S8ER95Z
"here we go again...same ol **** dawg just a different day..." - DMX
Your friends LS1 is only dynoing that high because exhaust is the other KEY component. Making the engine breathe is what gives it all the power..this is all so obvious.. and has been said 8 billion times by now. Anyways... the LS1 is rated 305~325 at the CRANK. Imagine if your 350Z was dynoing 285~290 at the wheels. Thats what GM did. Reason? C5 Corvette. Imagine once again that the G35 was rated 320hp at the crank and the 350Z still 287...would it be that big of a surprise if they dyno similar? no. Just conservative numbers thrown out to prevent sales of the Fbody from damaging the Vette sales. Make sense?
"here we go again...same ol **** dawg just a different day..." - DMX
Your friends LS1 is only dynoing that high because exhaust is the other KEY component. Making the engine breathe is what gives it all the power..this is all so obvious.. and has been said 8 billion times by now. Anyways... the LS1 is rated 305~325 at the CRANK. Imagine if your 350Z was dynoing 285~290 at the wheels. Thats what GM did. Reason? C5 Corvette. Imagine once again that the G35 was rated 320hp at the crank and the 350Z still 287...would it be that big of a surprise if they dyno similar? no. Just conservative numbers thrown out to prevent sales of the Fbody from damaging the Vette sales. Make sense?
04-23-2003, 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
whatever dude....tell yourself whatever you want to help yourself sleep better at night. But look who's on the 350 forum defending thier car's honor.....do you climb up the water tower to defend your sister's honor too?
whatever dude....tell yourself whatever you want to help yourself sleep better at night. But look who's on the 350 forum defending thier car's honor.....do you climb up the water tower to defend your sister's honor too?
04-23-2003, 02:55 PM
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I keep seeing all these posts and people saying that the ls1 must've been an a4. It really doesn't matter cause an a4 ls1 would still decimate you in your z. There really isn't that much of a performance difference between the a4 and the m6 the 4l60e is actually a pretty good tranny. My car bone stock went 13.1 at 105...most manuals will trap higher but in the quarter its fairly even. It angers me to see people posting how they can keep up with an ls1 just because its an a4...when its just untrue...i would give you guys less of a chance against an a4 then a m6 simply because the driver can't mess up. Why don't you go to the track and race a couple a4 ls1's and tell me how many you actually got within 5 carlengths of.
04-23-2003, 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by x89gta350
I keep seeing all these posts and people saying that the ls1 must've been an a4. It really doesn't matter cause an a4 ls1 would still decimate you in your z. There really isn't that much of a performance difference between the a4 and the m6 the 4l60e is actually a pretty good tranny. My car bone stock went 13.1 at 105...most manuals will trap higher but in the quarter its fairly even. It angers me to see people posting how they can keep up with an ls1 just because its an a4...when its just untrue...i would give you guys less of a chance against an a4 then a m6 simply because the driver can't mess up. Why don't you go to the track and race a couple a4 ls1's and tell me how many you actually got within 5 carlengths of.
I keep seeing all these posts and people saying that the ls1 must've been an a4. It really doesn't matter cause an a4 ls1 would still decimate you in your z. There really isn't that much of a performance difference between the a4 and the m6 the 4l60e is actually a pretty good tranny. My car bone stock went 13.1 at 105...most manuals will trap higher but in the quarter its fairly even. It angers me to see people posting how they can keep up with an ls1 just because its an a4...when its just untrue...i would give you guys less of a chance against an a4 then a m6 simply because the driver can't mess up. Why don't you go to the track and race a couple a4 ls1's and tell me how many you actually got within 5 carlengths of.
04-23-2003, 04:20 PM
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These 350Zs should be running low 13s in the 1/4 @ about 105+mph or the LS1 drivers suck.
As for the handling ability of the F-body, they are very hard to control. To get my stock suspended Z28 to go around a high speed corner without pushing or oversteering is very difficult.
As for the handling ability of the F-body, they are very hard to control. To get my stock suspended Z28 to go around a high speed corner without pushing or oversteering is very difficult.
04-23-2003, 07:03 PM
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Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. Sure, your cars are slightly faster stock 13.2 vs 13.9...big friggin deal. My car makes up for it in class and prestige. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car. GM put all the money into that engine and none into suspension, structural integrity, ergonomics or anything else.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
04-23-2003, 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....
The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....
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04-23-2003, 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. Sure, your cars are slightly faster stock 13.2 vs 13.9...big friggin deal. My car makes up for it in class and prestige. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car. GM put all the money into that engine and none into suspension, structural integrity, ergonomics or anything else.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. Sure, your cars are slightly faster stock 13.2 vs 13.9...big friggin deal. My car makes up for it in class and prestige. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car. GM put all the money into that engine and none into suspension, structural integrity, ergonomics or anything else.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
BTW.. A kids car? My car payment plus insurance totals around 700.00.. Don't know too many kids throwing down money like that. Oh and CrazyBosnian is not joking.. thats really what he will be putting down.. hel I think he is being a bit conservative on the numbers even.
Your not even amusing.. at least the rest of them members on this sight have held informative, non biased, and factual based discussions. I would say you make them look bad..however I don't consider you to be one of them.
04-24-2003, 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. Sure, your cars are slightly faster stock 13.2 vs 13.9...big friggin deal. My car makes up for it in class and prestige. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car. GM put all the money into that engine and none into suspension, structural integrity, ergonomics or anything else.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. Sure, your cars are slightly faster stock 13.2 vs 13.9...big friggin deal. My car makes up for it in class and prestige. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car. GM put all the money into that engine and none into suspension, structural integrity, ergonomics or anything else.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
04-24-2003, 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Last WS6
Lots of anger young man. Take a deep deep breath. They are only cars.
Lots of anger young man. Take a deep deep breath. They are only cars.
. Im not gonna get into a pissing contest about which car is overall better....to each their own. I would never come on another site (especially one dedicated to said car) and down talk it. Nowhere in all my ramblings have i said anything negative about the 350Z short of "my car is faster". Thats it. Nothing more. Thats all i had to say in the first place. Sorry you have so much aggression towards the make of car i drive. (that just sounds funny to say but its the only explanation). And you only further illustrate your ignorance when you make comments like --"This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break". Hes not crazy, and like S8 said, maybe a bit conservative. If you took ohh 10 min to do a bit of research on an LS1 site (ls1tech.com if your interested) youd see that headers/cam/bolt-on LS1s commonly make 390 rwhp.....and up to 420 is not hard if you dont mind a big hairy cam. Shooting for 400 is about par for the course, depending on the selection of cam. Our heads flow 250 cfm (intake side) strait from the factory. Most cars with Stg II and III port jobs are lucky to see those numbers. A set of Stg III LS1 heads are well over 300 cfm (good for about 450 rwhp...all motor.... but ready for a 150 shot on top...still think im crazy?) Its obvious you have no respect for (or comprehesion) of what our cars are capable of, but dont implicate the rest of your members in with yourself. Peace.
04-24-2003, 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by 1Redline350Z
Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
Look at how many LS1 ****** are replying to this post....there are almost no Z owners saying a word. Do you guys send a scout over here and then report back to LS1 daily so that all your **** little buddies can come over here and talk more trash?? You guys have a complex so bad that it smells almost as bad as your cars look. The Z has your cars so outclassed that you come over to this site and try to make up for your inadequacies....I've raced three LS1's and they are not nearly the super car your delusional diminutive minds make them out to be. This crazy bosnian dude saying he's gonna be making 400 at the wheels with intake/exhaust/headers/cams????? WTF. give me and the rest of the world a break. All you have is a redneck pos that most people view as a kids car.
Keep flaming guys, you're keeping us amused.
04-24-2003, 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by S8ER95Z
Ive been here since November..and Im not planning on going anywhere... I never came here to talk the 350Z down.. just to learn about it. Answer any questions about anything I may know about and correct or discuss any Fbody related material. Oh and for the record.. Im NOT an LS1 guy
BTW.. A kids car? My car payment plus insurance totals around 700.00.. Don't know too many kids throwing down money like that. Oh and CrazyBosnian is not joking.. thats really what he will be putting down.. hel I think he is being a bit conservative on the numbers even.
Your not even amusing.. at least the rest of them members on this sight have held informative, non biased, and factual based discussions. I would say you make them look bad..however I don't consider you to be one of them.
Ive been here since November..and Im not planning on going anywhere... I never came here to talk the 350Z down.. just to learn about it. Answer any questions about anything I may know about and correct or discuss any Fbody related material. Oh and for the record.. Im NOT an LS1 guy
BTW.. A kids car? My car payment plus insurance totals around 700.00.. Don't know too many kids throwing down money like that. Oh and CrazyBosnian is not joking.. thats really what he will be putting down.. hel I think he is being a bit conservative on the numbers even.
Your not even amusing.. at least the rest of them members on this sight have held informative, non biased, and factual based discussions. I would say you make them look bad..however I don't consider you to be one of them.
04-24-2003, 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by JP00SS
I'm gonna have to go crawl up in the fetal postion in my trailer and suck on the end of my mullet.
I'm gonna have to go crawl up in the fetal postion in my trailer and suck on the end of my mullet.
Hey bro, I'll go get my 12 pack of Natural light beer, drink it with half the can all over my wife beater while kicking back on the porch of the single wide. Kid Rock will be blaring out of my LS1 parked next to my '76 El Camino project car up on blocks.
Oh wait! I'm late for my job at Labor Ready! They have me doing some real skillful work, I am doing construction cleanup.
1Redline350Z, want a Natural Light?
04-24-2003, 02:13 PM
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I dunno man, we drive 350z's not 360 Modenas. I mean, the Z is still a Nissan. Its still a car for around 30K.
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I dunno man, we drive 350z's not 360 Modenas. I mean, the Z is still a Nissan. Its still a car for around 30K.
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04-24-2003, 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by JP00SS
We are ******? Read what you wrote and tell me who is the *****. You are personally attacking LS1 owners. You do not have to like our cars, but you don't have to get personal. I'm gonna have to go crawl up in the fetal postion in my trailer and suck on the end of my mullet.
We are ******? Read what you wrote and tell me who is the *****. You are personally attacking LS1 owners. You do not have to like our cars, but you don't have to get personal. I'm gonna have to go crawl up in the fetal postion in my trailer and suck on the end of my mullet.
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Redline, bro, your taking this argument to all new levels. Your comparing the quality, build, resale, looks, wow-factor, handling, and well just about everything but what we were talking about in the first palce......strait line acceleration. Im not demeaning your car, its nice, ive ridden in one and i liked it. But your making some wicked generalizations (along with some downright stereotypical ********) that just arent true...for instance.....solid axle rear makes the LS1 incapable of handling in a class with the 350Z....once again you should do some research. With the right suspension setup, an LS1 fbody would solidly flog a 350Z on a road course. No questions asked. 400 rwhp and .97-1.0g.....its been done and proven. F body platform got discontinued...big fuggn deal. It'll be back and better than ever in a few years. Just wait for it. You used the words prestige and class to describe your automobile. Indeed, its a good thing you ride has plenty of both...for you sir, have neither.
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Originally posted by ELESWON
Redline, bro, your taking this argument to all new levels. Your comparing the quality, build, resale, looks, wow-factor, handling, and well just about everything but what we were talking about in the first palce......strait line acceleration. Im not demeaning your car, its nice, ive ridden in one and i liked it. But your making some wicked generalizations (along with some downright stereotypical ********) that just arent true...for instance.....solid axle rear makes the LS1 incapable of handling in a class with the 350Z....once again you should do some research. With the right suspension setup, an LS1 fbody would solidly flog a 350Z on a road course. No questions asked. 400 rwhp and .97-1.0g.....its been done and proven. F body platform got discontinued...big fuggn deal. It'll be back and better than ever in a few years. Just wait for it. You used the words prestige and class to describe your automobile. Indeed, its a good thing you ride has plenty of both...for you sir, have neither.
Redline, bro, your taking this argument to all new levels. Your comparing the quality, build, resale, looks, wow-factor, handling, and well just about everything but what we were talking about in the first palce......strait line acceleration. Im not demeaning your car, its nice, ive ridden in one and i liked it. But your making some wicked generalizations (along with some downright stereotypical ********) that just arent true...for instance.....solid axle rear makes the LS1 incapable of handling in a class with the 350Z....once again you should do some research. With the right suspension setup, an LS1 fbody would solidly flog a 350Z on a road course. No questions asked. 400 rwhp and .97-1.0g.....its been done and proven. F body platform got discontinued...big fuggn deal. It'll be back and better than ever in a few years. Just wait for it. You used the words prestige and class to describe your automobile. Indeed, its a good thing you ride has plenty of both...for you sir, have neither.