RSX-S ... no worries.
05-28-2003, 12:49 PM
#21
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
sometimes front wheel drives just seem to feel faster, the Z didnt feel like it kicked as much as the altima, but the Z would always come out on top when i ran against it.
05-28-2003, 12:58 PM
#22
Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 504
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I used to own a 2001 Type R. I raced my friend twice in his RSX-S and beat him both times, all the way into 4th gear. From 1st through 4th, each gear I pulled farther and farther. After test driving the Z, I can tell you it is much faster than my R was. Therefore, based on my own experiences, I would have to say the Z will simply walk away from the RSX (equal drivers, of course).
05-28-2003, 02:52 PM
#23
Registered User
I love Honda's and have owned 3 in the past but they are deceivingly slow.
What I mean is that you'll be in an RSX, ITR, Si, S2000 etc and you'll hit 5,500 rpm with a CAI and it will scream. It truly is a great sound but then you'll look down and realize that you're not going that fast.
I had to adjust to this when I bought the Z. My old Civic Si actually felt faster then the Z once it hit 5K but the Z would completely walk my old Si (15.5 1/4 miles stock) if I were to race it. I think most of it has to do with sound but some of it's a turbo/nitrous like effect where you go from having very very little power to a decent amount in a short time frame.
What I mean is that you'll be in an RSX, ITR, Si, S2000 etc and you'll hit 5,500 rpm with a CAI and it will scream. It truly is a great sound but then you'll look down and realize that you're not going that fast.
I had to adjust to this when I bought the Z. My old Civic Si actually felt faster then the Z once it hit 5K but the Z would completely walk my old Si (15.5 1/4 miles stock) if I were to race it. I think most of it has to do with sound but some of it's a turbo/nitrous like effect where you go from having very very little power to a decent amount in a short time frame.
05-28-2003, 03:43 PM
#24
Fairlady Stalker
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 2,860
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by mrrsx350z
Mostly likly he have a chip, with that hondata it can run low 14. w/ few bolt on, high to mid 13 and with few internal low 13 to high 12. I wish i can mod the Z the same way. Hopefully there will we some kind of chip that make the Z faster then it is stock. But as of right now RSX-S really need small mod to make them fast. The new K20 eng. has about 30hp more power when modded to the fullest from the B18c5 type r motor.
Mostly likly he have a chip, with that hondata it can run low 14. w/ few bolt on, high to mid 13 and with few internal low 13 to high 12. I wish i can mod the Z the same way. Hopefully there will we some kind of chip that make the Z faster then it is stock. But as of right now RSX-S really need small mod to make them fast. The new K20 eng. has about 30hp more power when modded to the fullest from the B18c5 type r motor.
The Hytech package at $7500+ should put them into the low 13's not $1500
05-28-2003, 04:05 PM
#25
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: kali
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by zxsaint
I disagree. I frequent the clubrsx forums and most of the guys there with I/E/Hondata are running 14.6-14.9, not low 14s.
The Hytech package at $7500+ should put them into the low 13's not $1500
I disagree. I frequent the clubrsx forums and most of the guys there with I/E/Hondata are running 14.6-14.9, not low 14s.
The Hytech package at $7500+ should put them into the low 13's not $1500
http://home.attbi.com/~rsx5/snakersx14.wmv
List of mod and price i paid!
CAI $250 install it myself
ECU $600 install it myself
Tire $400 + 60 buck install all four
Gasket $15 intall it myself
Motor Mount $100
and Revo Short Shifter $100 + $20 install myself
This price is with rounding off still com up less then $1500!
500buck for areo dynamic kit
500 buck painted
Last edited by mrrsx350z; 05-28-2003 at 04:15 PM.
05-28-2003, 07:57 PM
#26
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
mrrsx350Z,
I think you are missing the point. I too traded in my RSX-S for a base model 350z so I have first hand experience. Now, that's great that you are getting good 1/4 mile times (flat 14 right? I didn't look at the vid). It's also great that you got your car for $20K, but the truth is the cars realistically go for $24k. Now you do have around $2000 into your performance (with taxes, odds and ends, springs which are a must for a better launch with the new tires). You can get a base Z for $27K, which can still run 13s STOCK. Now, the HONDATA which is helping you the most along with the CAI, really makes the big difference by giving the car a much better low end pull (not so much extra top end, that's the CAI), a major weakness of the VTEC engines. I guarantee, even with your mods that got such a great 1/4 mile time, past the 1/4 trap speeds the 350Z will pull away even harder, so it is quite understandeable that someone would report pulling easily on an RSX-S at such high speeds. Also, although this is good improvement for little money, you won't see any other major improvements unless you go to REALLy expensive components now, weather it's boost, or internals.
As someone stated, most people with your mods are probably running closer to mid 14s. All the guys from clubRSX I remember hitting 13s with just HONDATA, CAI, tires and shifter usually do so with the help of a lot of non-streeteable mods. They'll unbolt their exhaust, lower the crap out of the tires, gut the car (back seat, moldings ,etc) run higher octane, etc. Basically, what you are getting does not seem to be the NORM (I don't know if you used any of these tricks or if you got it in full streeteable form). So congratulations to you, but the fact still remains that the Z is faster (properly driven of course), and has a lot more potential, which is what most of the people who have made the switch have noticed. NOBODY is calling the RSX-S crap, I think it was a great car, but it is in a different class.
Besides, remember you ARE in a 350Z forum. On top of that, you act like this is the only place that is biased towards their car. Almost every rsx-S vs 350Z post in clubrsx states that they kept up with or beat the 350Z, and the RSX-S will have nothing more than an intake. Shoot, where I live, I talk to an RSX-S owner at the track who can beat all his other friends with RSX-Ss, yet he tells me that all of them swear they have beaten 350Zs left and right, and I bet him pretty bad. If anything, it's a lot more believable for a Z to walk an RSX-S, than the other way around. It's great to defend your car, but you still need to be realistic.
As long as you like your car, then that's all that matters. We definately like our cars. It's normal that you want to defend your car, but you are not going to convince anyone here that it's faster, or a better value of the money, because honestly it is not, especially not in a Z forum. I can see an EVO or STI, but not an RSX-S.
BTW, I think your car is SWEET, so don't think I am flaming you or anything. It's just there are so many people who come in here who seem DEDICATED to making their car seem better than a Z. Fact is, people here are quite HAPPY with their cars.
I think you are missing the point. I too traded in my RSX-S for a base model 350z so I have first hand experience. Now, that's great that you are getting good 1/4 mile times (flat 14 right? I didn't look at the vid). It's also great that you got your car for $20K, but the truth is the cars realistically go for $24k. Now you do have around $2000 into your performance (with taxes, odds and ends, springs which are a must for a better launch with the new tires). You can get a base Z for $27K, which can still run 13s STOCK. Now, the HONDATA which is helping you the most along with the CAI, really makes the big difference by giving the car a much better low end pull (not so much extra top end, that's the CAI), a major weakness of the VTEC engines. I guarantee, even with your mods that got such a great 1/4 mile time, past the 1/4 trap speeds the 350Z will pull away even harder, so it is quite understandeable that someone would report pulling easily on an RSX-S at such high speeds. Also, although this is good improvement for little money, you won't see any other major improvements unless you go to REALLy expensive components now, weather it's boost, or internals.
As someone stated, most people with your mods are probably running closer to mid 14s. All the guys from clubRSX I remember hitting 13s with just HONDATA, CAI, tires and shifter usually do so with the help of a lot of non-streeteable mods. They'll unbolt their exhaust, lower the crap out of the tires, gut the car (back seat, moldings ,etc) run higher octane, etc. Basically, what you are getting does not seem to be the NORM (I don't know if you used any of these tricks or if you got it in full streeteable form). So congratulations to you, but the fact still remains that the Z is faster (properly driven of course), and has a lot more potential, which is what most of the people who have made the switch have noticed. NOBODY is calling the RSX-S crap, I think it was a great car, but it is in a different class.
Besides, remember you ARE in a 350Z forum. On top of that, you act like this is the only place that is biased towards their car. Almost every rsx-S vs 350Z post in clubrsx states that they kept up with or beat the 350Z, and the RSX-S will have nothing more than an intake. Shoot, where I live, I talk to an RSX-S owner at the track who can beat all his other friends with RSX-Ss, yet he tells me that all of them swear they have beaten 350Zs left and right, and I bet him pretty bad. If anything, it's a lot more believable for a Z to walk an RSX-S, than the other way around. It's great to defend your car, but you still need to be realistic.
As long as you like your car, then that's all that matters. We definately like our cars. It's normal that you want to defend your car, but you are not going to convince anyone here that it's faster, or a better value of the money, because honestly it is not, especially not in a Z forum. I can see an EVO or STI, but not an RSX-S.
BTW, I think your car is SWEET, so don't think I am flaming you or anything. It's just there are so many people who come in here who seem DEDICATED to making their car seem better than a Z. Fact is, people here are quite HAPPY with their cars.
05-28-2003, 08:12 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
i kind of agree with newmexicoz33, different cars, different classes, such as there are the different classes (stock) for the rxs-type s , z33, and the ls1 people. sure, it may take some modding for the rsx-s to catch with the stock z33, and some modding for the z33 to run even with a ls1. But newmexico is right, it's called the "self-bias prophecy", we tend to favor our cars over other cars, because we own them. Anything for our ego. This is obvious. That's why i'm kind of wary on race threads, it tends to bring out some hostility or irritation out of others. I think for the better, would be if there were only z33 people in here, and only in here, hence a z33 forum. The other camaros/hondas should keep in there forums, because some people are too immature to handle an offense on their "car ego". But whatever, do what you like, i'm not a moderator here. But having different car people in here is a good thing also, we get to experience the opinions of other groups(whether good or bad), and provide insight. I'm on here to learn what my car can do, since I don't street race, and occasionly have the time to go to the track.
05-28-2003, 10:58 PM
#28
I agree, the Z (believe it or not) competes and feels much closer to a $90k NSX than a RSX-S (believe me, I have owned6 hondas/acuras, my bro has a black RSX-S sitting in the driveway right now and my dad is a former NSX owner). The Z is in a TOTALLY different class than the RSX (RSX with Si, ITR, Celica GT-S, WRX, etc...) VS a Z (comparing to a S2000, boxsterS, M roadster/coupes, WRX-sti, EVO, audi TT 225 hp and even 911s and M3s, don't believe me, read the reviews, I don't think youd ever see a RSX tested against a Z06, 911, M3, even though it is a "value" test).
the RSX is a good "value" when compared to a Celica GT-s (20 less HP and more $$$, which seems to be toyotas way), but against a base Z, no comparison!!
the RSX is a good "value" when compared to a Celica GT-s (20 less HP and more $$$, which seems to be toyotas way), but against a base Z, no comparison!!
05-28-2003, 11:03 PM
#29
Originally posted by mrrsx350z
Uncle bought it for me, but i wanted to just buy it from him. Becuase it was such an expensive gift to take. He a manager of the acura dealer down here in kali. So we got at what ever he paid for. He told me 19k or suming around there. But yeah got a great deal on this one. Wish he was a manager of nissan that would be so dope. He can get me all the nissan part cheap. Plus a Z at cost or invoice price. But oh well no complain, it's a nice car to drive around. Plus right it's is almost as fast as the Z. I'm planing to give it to my bro once he start go back to college so he'll have himself a nice sleeper to driver around. And rodh if you need any advice on how to mod your rsx let me know. I have done a few R&D on hella part for this car. I found some stuff that work and stuff that don't. Right now, i'm R&D on some adjustable spring. JIC is the best bet right now. Current setup cuz it dip in the rear and left up the front and losing to much traction traction.
Uncle bought it for me, but i wanted to just buy it from him. Becuase it was such an expensive gift to take. He a manager of the acura dealer down here in kali. So we got at what ever he paid for. He told me 19k or suming around there. But yeah got a great deal on this one. Wish he was a manager of nissan that would be so dope. He can get me all the nissan part cheap. Plus a Z at cost or invoice price. But oh well no complain, it's a nice car to drive around. Plus right it's is almost as fast as the Z. I'm planing to give it to my bro once he start go back to college so he'll have himself a nice sleeper to driver around. And rodh if you need any advice on how to mod your rsx let me know. I have done a few R&D on hella part for this car. I found some stuff that work and stuff that don't. Right now, i'm R&D on some adjustable spring. JIC is the best bet right now. Current setup cuz it dip in the rear and left up the front and losing to much traction traction.
). invoice is more than $19k, and closer to $21k iirc. I got my Z at invoice, but it is still a $34k car. ya, my bro is wanting to mod his RSX-S, he is working as a salesman right now at our honda/acura dealer for the summer away from college. His first mod seems to be wheels and tires, followed by lowering and then Hondata, let me know. Thanxs for the help (his moniker is "bradyhawk" on club rsx), he doen't post much right now though.
05-29-2003, 08:41 AM
#30
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: kali
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey newmexicoZ33. i agree, from your prospective i can see where the Z is a better value but what i was trying to piont out is that people shouldn't underestimate a car in a lower class. I forgot that I got a deal that not everybody can get. LOL! Well every race have diffrent driver and diffrent car. Some have mod and some don't. Even if it's the same type of car like a Z vs RSX-S. The point i'm trying to put out is that you might have beat one but you might not beat the next one. Try to keep us Z owner heads up and don't put your gaurd down because you race one before and think this is a easy race! Cuz you never know. That's all i'm saying.
Last edited by mrrsx350z; 05-29-2003 at 08:45 AM.
05-29-2003, 09:08 AM
#31
Fairlady Stalker
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 2,860
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by mrrsx350z
and don't put your gaurd down because you race one before and think this is a easy race! Cuz you never know. That's all i'm saying.
and don't put your gaurd down because you race one before and think this is a easy race! Cuz you never know. That's all i'm saying.
Any car can be modified to be faster.
Point was that stock for stock, the Z will crush a RSX-S. Add intake, exhaust, and ECU to both cars, and the Z will still crush a RSX-S.
05-29-2003, 09:24 AM
#32
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by rodH
I agree, the Z (believe it or not) competes and feels much closer to a $90k NSX than a RSX-S (believe me, I have owned6 hondas/acuras, my bro has a black RSX-S sitting in the driveway right now and my dad is a former NSX owner). The Z is in a TOTALLY different class than the RSX (RSX with Si, ITR, Celica GT-S, WRX, etc...) VS a Z (comparing to a S2000, boxsterS, M roadster/coupes, WRX-sti, EVO, audi TT 225 hp and even 911s and M3s, don't believe me, read the reviews, I don't think youd ever see a RSX tested against a Z06, 911, M3, even though it is a "value" test).
the RSX is a good "value" when compared to a Celica GT-s (20 less HP and more $$$, which seems to be toyotas way), but against a base Z, no comparison!!
I agree, the Z (believe it or not) competes and feels much closer to a $90k NSX than a RSX-S (believe me, I have owned6 hondas/acuras, my bro has a black RSX-S sitting in the driveway right now and my dad is a former NSX owner). The Z is in a TOTALLY different class than the RSX (RSX with Si, ITR, Celica GT-S, WRX, etc...) VS a Z (comparing to a S2000, boxsterS, M roadster/coupes, WRX-sti, EVO, audi TT 225 hp and even 911s and M3s, don't believe me, read the reviews, I don't think youd ever see a RSX tested against a Z06, 911, M3, even though it is a "value" test).
the RSX is a good "value" when compared to a Celica GT-s (20 less HP and more $$$, which seems to be toyotas way), but against a base Z, no comparison!!
The Z is more rewarding to the amature than the experianced. It gives you the feeling like you're doing it all right, it makes mistakes look like smooth flowing expert class moves.
Is it out of the RSXs class? Stock, maybe, but not by much, certainly not in a parking lot. a Mild mod buildup on the RSX and it's a even playing field in all areas.
Zs are great cars, but they're nothing so special it changes the game.
05-29-2003, 11:05 AM
#33
Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 504
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by someone
A Z isn't CLOSE to being anywhere NEAR a NSX. But that aside, I agree w/ you a little, but while the mags. test the Z w/ the M3, 911, etc... they shouldn't, it's not THAT impressive of a car.
Motor Trend got a 0-60 time of 5.3 secs. How is this not close to being anywhere near an NSX? The mags test the Z with the M3, 911, etc. because thats where the car falls, performance-wise. Otherwise, they'd be testing it with the RSX-S.
It's less rewarding to an experienced driver compared to the S2000. The ITR (w/ i/h/e) will rape it in an auto-x or on a road course. STi and EVO eat it in every aspect for breakfast lunch and dinner. The Audi is a ****ing joke of a car. The porsche is a good comparison, but not the S, just the plain old boxster. And exotics make it look like a focus in a ferrari race...
I've logged thousands of miles in an S2000, and after driving the Z, I don't feel it is less rewarding. I love the torque on tap, for example, of the Z. That is very rewarding to me. The S2K is asleep below 6000 rpms.
Is it out of the RSXs class? Stock, maybe, but not by much, certainly not in a parking lot. a Mild mod buildup on the RSX and it's a even playing field in all areas.
Stock, maybe? How can you say this and be serious? I owned a Type R and that was way ahead of the RSX-S, especially on an autocross course. The lack of a limited slip killed the RSX's ability to run the course as fast as the R, nevermind the suspension and weight differences between the cars. That said, I pulled an RSX-S hard in every gear on two separate runs in a straight line (both cars stock). Meanwhile, at Lime Rock park, some guy in a 350Z simply walked away from me in my R on the straights, it was embarrasing.
Zs are great cars, but they're nothing so special it changes the game.
From what I can tell so far, they're great cars. And so is the RSX-S, but they shouldnt be compared directly in my opinion. And my opinions are based on hands-on experience with all three cars mentioned.
A Z isn't CLOSE to being anywhere NEAR a NSX. But that aside, I agree w/ you a little, but while the mags. test the Z w/ the M3, 911, etc... they shouldn't, it's not THAT impressive of a car.
Motor Trend got a 0-60 time of 5.3 secs. How is this not close to being anywhere near an NSX? The mags test the Z with the M3, 911, etc. because thats where the car falls, performance-wise. Otherwise, they'd be testing it with the RSX-S.
It's less rewarding to an experienced driver compared to the S2000. The ITR (w/ i/h/e) will rape it in an auto-x or on a road course. STi and EVO eat it in every aspect for breakfast lunch and dinner. The Audi is a ****ing joke of a car. The porsche is a good comparison, but not the S, just the plain old boxster. And exotics make it look like a focus in a ferrari race...
I've logged thousands of miles in an S2000, and after driving the Z, I don't feel it is less rewarding. I love the torque on tap, for example, of the Z. That is very rewarding to me. The S2K is asleep below 6000 rpms.
Is it out of the RSXs class? Stock, maybe, but not by much, certainly not in a parking lot. a Mild mod buildup on the RSX and it's a even playing field in all areas.
Stock, maybe? How can you say this and be serious? I owned a Type R and that was way ahead of the RSX-S, especially on an autocross course. The lack of a limited slip killed the RSX's ability to run the course as fast as the R, nevermind the suspension and weight differences between the cars. That said, I pulled an RSX-S hard in every gear on two separate runs in a straight line (both cars stock). Meanwhile, at Lime Rock park, some guy in a 350Z simply walked away from me in my R on the straights, it was embarrasing.
Zs are great cars, but they're nothing so special it changes the game.
From what I can tell so far, they're great cars. And so is the RSX-S, but they shouldnt be compared directly in my opinion. And my opinions are based on hands-on experience with all three cars mentioned.
Last edited by Blue Liquid; 05-29-2003 at 11:10 AM.
05-29-2003, 11:46 AM
#34
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by Blue Liquid
Stock, maybe? How can you say this and be serious? I owned a Type R and that was way ahead of the RSX-S, especially on an autocross course. The lack of a limited slip killed the RSX's ability to run the course as fast as the R, nevermind the suspension and weight differences between the cars. That said, I pulled an RSX-S hard in every gear on two separate runs in a straight line (both cars stock). Meanwhile, at Lime Rock park, some guy in a 350Z simply walked away from me in my R on the straights, it was embarrasing.
From what I can tell so far, they're great cars. And so is the RSX-S, but they shouldnt be compared directly in my opinion. And my opinions are based on hands-on experience with all three cars mentioned.
Stock, maybe? How can you say this and be serious? I owned a Type R and that was way ahead of the RSX-S, especially on an autocross course. The lack of a limited slip killed the RSX's ability to run the course as fast as the R, nevermind the suspension and weight differences between the cars. That said, I pulled an RSX-S hard in every gear on two separate runs in a straight line (both cars stock). Meanwhile, at Lime Rock park, some guy in a 350Z simply walked away from me in my R on the straights, it was embarrasing.
From what I can tell so far, they're great cars. And so is the RSX-S, but they shouldnt be compared directly in my opinion. And my opinions are based on hands-on experience with all three cars mentioned.
Oh and 0-60 times don't mean **** when you talk about a NSX, it runs the 1/4 in mid-low 13s, and is only defeated by the F50 on a road course.
05-29-2003, 01:30 PM
#35
Registered User
Originally posted by someone
The Z shouldn't be compared to a RSX or and FF car for that matter, the Z should be classed with the boxster, s2000, RX8 and that's it...those are all very similar in terms of performance. Things like the M3, 911, etc.. are just out of it's class in all areas.
The Z shouldn't be compared to a RSX or and FF car for that matter, the Z should be classed with the boxster, s2000, RX8 and that's it...those are all very similar in terms of performance. Things like the M3, 911, etc.. are just out of it's class in all areas.
The same can be said about the ITR. It's competetion should be cars like the WRX, Neon, Escort, etc in which it wouldn't do to well. It should be able to beat the Escort ZX2 though. I think it will run about a 15.7 in the 1/4 compared to 15.2 by the ITR.
05-29-2003, 03:28 PM
#36
Originally posted by someone
I never said the Type R is on the same level as the RSX in handling...it's far ahead. But the RSX and the Z given equal experienced drivers on the auto-x course would be close. Now 2 novices the Z will win. As far as the Z and S2000 the st00k is lighter, tighter, and more agile putting it a step ahead of the Z in means of handling, and in an auto-x or road course ur not below 5-6K so that's not an issue. As far as driving around town, the Zs torque will make the drive more consistant but the st00ks gearing will make it more fun. The Z shouldn't be compared to a RSX or and FF car for that matter, the Z should be classed with the boxster, s2000, RX8 and that's it...those are all very similar in terms of performance. Things like the M3, 911, etc.. are just out of it's class in all areas.
Oh and 0-60 times don't mean **** when you talk about a NSX, it runs the 1/4 in mid-low 13s, and is only defeated by the F50 on a road course.
I never said the Type R is on the same level as the RSX in handling...it's far ahead. But the RSX and the Z given equal experienced drivers on the auto-x course would be close. Now 2 novices the Z will win. As far as the Z and S2000 the st00k is lighter, tighter, and more agile putting it a step ahead of the Z in means of handling, and in an auto-x or road course ur not below 5-6K so that's not an issue. As far as driving around town, the Zs torque will make the drive more consistant but the st00ks gearing will make it more fun. The Z shouldn't be compared to a RSX or and FF car for that matter, the Z should be classed with the boxster, s2000, RX8 and that's it...those are all very similar in terms of performance. Things like the M3, 911, etc.. are just out of it's class in all areas.
Oh and 0-60 times don't mean **** when you talk about a NSX, it runs the 1/4 in mid-low 13s, and is only defeated by the F50 on a road course.
1. the ITR might be fast on an autoX course, BUTI have seen old GTIs beat Porsches, So I can CARELESS about racing in a freaking parking lot. ROADCOURSE, will NOT happen, read the reviews, (Z wins again 911, M3 in 1 article, another-it beats the S2000, Mach1 and TT, in Best of motering video it beats M3, s2000, and rapes a NON-S boxster, these are 3 seperate races, all with a SAME result, contrary to you).
2. I use to drive a NSX a lot as well as an S2000 and my bro has an RSX-S, your assesments are pretty interesting, what are your experiences with a driving a Z, NSX and S2000???? I hear Miat people all the time say that a miata will beat a S in a autoX, I ignore them.
3. As far as a Z being an easy car to drive, it is MUCH harder to drive than a S2000 (the little torque on the S2000 make it a NO-risk car to drive at edge), I have spun the Z to know that when youtake off VDC it is NO longer just fun and games-be carefull, it is MUCH more torquy than a NSX.
4. the NSX numbers are MUCH closure to a Z than a Z is to a RSX-S (Nsx 0-60 in 4.7-5.0, Z=5.4-5.7, RSX-S 6.1-6.9 the quarter is even better, teh NSX is mid 13, Z is high 13 and RSX-S is a second slower than a Z).
Again, I am NOT saying the Z is as good as an NSX, JUST that it is closure in feel, layout, performance, and overall drivability than a RSX-S.
btw, "fun" is a relative word, I use to USE it ALL the time when I owned a 88 CRX-si, and it was voted "most fun to drive" (do you really think I thought it was a better car than a 911, just because of that???? As a former honda/acura owner of a lot of cars, I can tell you they are "fun", but the Torque in a Z is exhilerating!!
also, a Z KILLS a Boxster (even a RSX-S has similar performance #s to a NON-S), the Z #s are very very similar to a Boxster S (take a look sometime)
also, How did the Audi comment come about, ever hear of an S4 or RS6???? (no comment)
05-29-2003, 03:31 PM
#37
Originally posted by buzzdsm
I agree with you the Boxter, S2000, and the RX-8 are the true competion for the Z.
I agree with you the Boxter, S2000, and the RX-8 are the true competion for the Z.
05-29-2003, 03:36 PM
#38
Originally posted by someone
A Z isn't CLOSE to being anywhere NEAR a NSX. But that aside, I agree w/ you a little, but while the mags. test the Z w/ the M3, 911, etc... they shouldn't, it's not THAT impressive of a car. It's less rewarding to an experienced driver compared to the S2000. The ITR (w/ i/h/e) will rape it in an auto-x or on a road course. STi and EVO eat it in every aspect for breakfast lunch and dinner. The Audi is a ****ing joke of a car. The porsche is a good comparison, but not the S, just the plain old boxster. And exotics make it look like a focus in a ferrari race...
The Z is more rewarding to the amature than the experianced. It gives you the feeling like you're doing it all right, it makes mistakes look like smooth flowing expert class moves.
Is it out of the RSXs class? Stock, maybe, but not by much, certainly not in a parking lot. a Mild mod buildup on the RSX and it's a even playing field in all areas.
Zs are great cars, but they're nothing so special it changes the game.
A Z isn't CLOSE to being anywhere NEAR a NSX. But that aside, I agree w/ you a little, but while the mags. test the Z w/ the M3, 911, etc... they shouldn't, it's not THAT impressive of a car. It's less rewarding to an experienced driver compared to the S2000. The ITR (w/ i/h/e) will rape it in an auto-x or on a road course. STi and EVO eat it in every aspect for breakfast lunch and dinner. The Audi is a ****ing joke of a car. The porsche is a good comparison, but not the S, just the plain old boxster. And exotics make it look like a focus in a ferrari race...
The Z is more rewarding to the amature than the experianced. It gives you the feeling like you're doing it all right, it makes mistakes look like smooth flowing expert class moves.
Is it out of the RSXs class? Stock, maybe, but not by much, certainly not in a parking lot. a Mild mod buildup on the RSX and it's a even playing field in all areas.
Zs are great cars, but they're nothing so special it changes the game.
the "focus" comment is pretty funny, actually I would say taht the Z vs exotics would look MUCH like a Z vs Exotics and NOT a focus (btw, what is with this Focus SVT kicking the crap out of RSXs and Sis???
)also, don't compare modded to stock (ITR VS Z), it is a stupid arguement, you made that mistake 2X in 1 post.
05-29-2003, 03:42 PM
#39
Originally posted by someone
Oh and 0-60 times don't mean **** when you talk about a NSX, it runs the 1/4 in mid-low 13s, and is only defeated by the F50 on a road course.
Oh and 0-60 times don't mean **** when you talk about a NSX, it runs the 1/4 in mid-low 13s, and is only defeated by the F50 on a road course.
actually, I have 1 issue that shows the NSX beat by a 360, 550, vette, 911tt and some others. That said, teh NSX remains one of my favorite cars, to bad we don't sell that many
honda needs to get it together and make a ZO6 competitor at about $60k (although I would still rather have an NSX than a Z06, call me crazy even at teh current prices)
Last edited by rodH; 05-29-2003 at 03:47 PM.
05-29-2003, 04:39 PM
#40
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: kali
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by zxsaint
Of course. There's modded Z's as well, as well as turbo civics, hell, theres probably a few modded tercels out there that could beat the Z.
Any car can be modified to be faster.
Point was that stock for stock, the Z will crush a RSX-S. Add intake, exhaust, and ECU to both cars, and the Z will still crush a RSX-S.
Of course. There's modded Z's as well, as well as turbo civics, hell, theres probably a few modded tercels out there that could beat the Z.
Any car can be modified to be faster.
Point was that stock for stock, the Z will crush a RSX-S. Add intake, exhaust, and ECU to both cars, and the Z will still crush a RSX-S.
Like you said before the Z will crush the RSX-S but the rsx will cost less to moddify. Even if you bought a base model Z it will still cost much more to get the Z as fast as the rsx moddify. I love my Z and planning to try to keep stock looking well with a few mod like rim and kits. But i'm going to get a turbo kit for the RSX rather then the Z just because people would expect a RSX to be fast becuase Z and other car can rape it stock. It's a better sleeper car then my Z becuase the Z just look fast and it is, well for stock. But right now yeah a moddify Z will crush a RSX.
Here is a Stage II RSX Turbo Kit from
http://www.cybernationmotorsports.com/
However proper stage II options include studs ,bolts, fmu ,piston, rods ,block guard and boost controller. 350whp at 17-20psi starts at $6595