reelmcoy

i own 2 LS1's and a Track Z. there is no way that a stock Z is gonna pull on an LS1. a stock LT1 would be a good race, but LT1's respond well to bolt on mods. i had a 97 Z28 with only a cold air intake, shorty headers and cat back and ran a best of 8.37@84 in the 1/8 with consistent 8.40's. my bone stock WS6 down to the paper filter runs consistent 8.50's in the 1/8. my 02 formula will walk the WS6 hard. i let the fiance drive the 02 and i drove my WS6. started in second gear and by the top of second the 02 had over a car length on the WS6.

Cobra94

I dont know what the #'s are yet, im gonna do a few more things b4 i get it dyno'd

i have considered getting and f-body, i might get one and keep both, havnt decided yet

Ls1's are beasts for sure

87 Turbo Regal

He was probably just a bad driver.

Now you said it had "SS" badges on it, is that correct? GM didn't start making the 4th generation Camaro SS until 1998. The 4th generation Camaro SS was first made in 1996 by SLP, and it was made again by SLP in 1997. I doubt it was a 1996-1997 Camaro SS because they are extremely, extremely rare. I forget the final build numbers, but only about 5,000 units were made both those years. However, if it was a 1996-1997 Camaro SS, you still would have gotten smoked. They were equipped with LT-4s (basically just beefed up LT-1s with a more aggressive heads/cam package). For advertising purposes they put out 330 hp, but they truly made around ~360-370 hp. They were powerful cars. Also, the LT-4 is significantly different then the LT-1. While the LT-1 is pretty competitive with the LS-1 only at the low-end, the LT-4 is competitive with the LS-1 in terms of low-end and high-end. A 1996-1997 Camaro SS is near dead even to a 1998-2002 Camaro SS all the way to it's top speed (just under 165 mph). Anyways, just be thankful you ran into a bad driver. My one friend's 2001 Camaro SS was running 12.9s consistently when he was bone-stock, and my other friend's 2002 Trans Am WS-6 with an auto was running consistent 13.2s when bone-stock. They are fast little bastards.

JamRWS6

Any 98-02 LS1 car will flat out walk away from a 96 or 97 SS.

All SS cars were converted by SLP Engineering......96-02.
SLP also did the 96-97 WS6 conversion while ASC took over for 98-02.

These cars are speed limited to 162-163 mph.

87 Turbo Regal

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JamRWS6
[B]Any 98-02 LS1 car will flat out walk away from a 96 or 97 SS.


Nope, not true. My buddy raced a bone-stock 1997 Camaro SS in his bone-stock 2001 Camaro SS. Both were equipped with manuals, and my friend is an excellent driver. Like I already said, he was running 12.9 when his car was bone-stock. Anyways, we met the owner of the car and my buddy challenged him to a race. At 140 mph, the front bumper of the 1997 Camaro SS was at the driver's side door of my friend's 2001 Camaro SS, and they ran from a dead dig. And you might be wondering how we knew he was stock? Well, we met him through a 3rd party. This guy's Camaro SS with the LT-4 was indeed stock.

JamRWS6

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 87 Turbo Regal
[B]You didn't say it was a LT4 car

In that case they only made about 40 or less LT4 cars so that car had to have been EXTREEEEEEEEMELY rare. I find it hard to believe someone with such a rare car would be out racing it like that but if you saw the Red intake etc. then i believe you.

From my experience a LS1 car still has a slight edge over a LT4 but they are still very close and could come down to driver.

JamRWS6

EDIT.....also somthing like less than 10 firehawks also received the LT4 engine....VEEEERY rare.

87 Turbo Regal

Nah man, all 1996-1997 Camaro SS had the LT-4 with 330 hp. I kid you not. I'll look it up and show you, if you want.


P.S. Your car sounds pretty badass. I'm up for a race if you are.

Cobra94

I already posted this in Stangnet.com a few months back

I raced a 96-97 SS and it was slammed and the licence plate frame said "Today's special smoked mustang"


He was in front of me at the red light and when it turned green, he didnt even let me catch up to him, so i stay on his ***, then i pull to the right and now im creeping up on him and i shift into 3rd.

We are literally dead even. Hes on my leftside and then i shift into 4th and put about 2 1/2 cars on him and i even slowed and let him pull to my door and then step on it and pull another car.

I swear on my fathers grave this is a true story. I just posted a lose so i dont care if i lose. theirs always someone faster.

On stangnet some people called it BS, but its true

The reason why im saying this is, of the races ive lost have all been to LS1's and 1 supra(which was ugly)

Ram-air's, SS's

Ive beaten a few 97 and under F-body's and have yet to lose to
one.

Some im confused, why do i have such a problem with the Ls1's and have for the most part had my way with the 97>unders.

That 1st race was without my heads and cam i have now

Last week i just raced a 97> z28 and his freind was even video taping it and again even till 3rd, then i swear i put at least 1 1/2 bus lengths on him when i shifted into 4th.

I dont know alot about the f-body's so im confused about having trouble with the Ls1's and no alot with 97>'s

Im not knocking them i respect f-body's, but im confused if they are supposed to be as fast.

sukkoi19

Im sorry but you are incorrect on that. Only 97 SSs were available with the LT4, and they are very rare, 27 were produced. They are all 30th anniversarys as well, white with the orange stripes. The Firehawks were in the 10s as far as numbers produced. My g/f cousin has a 96 SS, numbers on the shift consul and everything, has an LT1. A4 car with the ported manifolds and SLP catback, Auburn posi blah blah. All that netted him a steller 14.00. If you actually know somebody with a 97 SS LT4 then more power to you, but they are very rare, most of them are owned by SLP and GM employees.

necrocannibal

You beat me to it. Just to confirm LT4s are so rare I bet you have never seen one on the street, I know I havent and I have been into F bodies since 1996. Everytime I see a 30th anniversary SS I wonder if it could be though but considering that there were less than 30 I imagine that I will never see one.

87 Turbo Regal

From 1993-1997, the Camaro Z-28 had the LT-1. From 1998-2002, the Camaro Z-28 and Camaro SS had the LS-1. The LT-1 had plenty of low-end, but just doesn't have as much top-end/high-end power. The LS-1 has both enormous low-end and high-end power.

You would have alot of trouble with the LS-1s because they really are revvy motors which love to be driven into the 5K rpm range, whereas the LT-1s just don't have much power way up in the rev range.

87 Turbo Regal

Is that right? Ah well, I guess you learn something new everyday, right?


P.S. Yes, this guy does have a 1997 Camaro SS with the LT-4. It is (like you said) white with the Hugger Orange stripes. It looks just as badass as it sounds. And I gotta give the owner kudos...at least he doesn't leave it in a garage so that it can sit and appreciate in value. He uses it for what it was made to do...race!

87 Turbo Regal

Wow, I was wrong. I just checked this website and it said only 100 Camaro SS with the LT-4 were produced in 1997. Thanks for correcting my mistake, fellas.

Here's a link to the 100 Camaro SS:

http://chevysupersports.com/Camaro96-00.htm

87 Turbo Regal

And to Cobra 94...


To add to what I was say earlier...


The peak horsepower and torque are different in LT-1s vs. LS-1s. I'll just sum it up below.


The LT-1 produces it's peak torque at 2,400 rpm and it's peak horsepower at 5,200 rpm.

The LS-1 produces it's peak torque at 4,400 rpm and it's peak horsepower at 5,200 rpm.


Basically the LS-1 just has more power reserved for the high-end and has a broader powerband.


P.S. What do you have in the 1994 Cobra? Is it the 5.0 HO or the 351 Windsor? Either way, you can't go wrong. I personally love both those motors, and know about their insane capabilities. I know one guy with a 1994 Mustang who has a 408 under the hood. Right now, with the nitrous and the slicks, he is in the low 9's and should be in the 8's before the summer is over. Not only that, but his car is fully street-legal (when I say "street-legal" I mean that he has a full interior with working a/c and a fully functional radio and he has not done any kind of weight savings). He does use nitrous and slicks, but still, his little Rustang is pretty insane. He ran me once...let's just say I hit the brakes to avoid too much embarassment.

Cobra94

I love my car alot, I just love Ls1's also. I basically love any v-8 rear wheel drive loud as hell cars. I also dig those GN's and regal's, their just way tooo fast, its amazing.

In the next few months I plan on buying a 347 stroker and me and my buddy are gonna put it in. I fiquare I already have basically a new top-end just need the block.

Im just concerned about my t-5 holding up, since i got 97k miles on it now. Then maybe I'll do better against those damn Ls1's

I have the 5.0 HO, no windsor damn it

JamRWS6

Peak power on LS1s is closer to 5600 or above......the 5200 is the GM "BS rating" for the Camaros and Firebirds....they are correct it is putting out about 325 at 5200 but they fail to tell you that if you take it to 5600 it'll put out near 350

sukkoi19

You still have a Windsor, just not a 351 Windsor. The 302 and the 351 are both part of the Windsor family of engines.

Cobra94

cool tx

CrazyBosnian

Or change the cam and peak at 66-6800