don't turn away an SS given the chance
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don't turn away an SS given the chance
Guys, I have never wanted to race a late SS, since I hear (and beleived) all the stuff on this board.
Well, I played with one today, Black SS (latest version) stick with LOAD as hell Exhaust/headers (it even "popped" giving the Pop pop pop sound when slowing). I was affraid to play at first then went ahead with it. The redults where much better than I thought they would be (the thing was freaking LOAD!!!!).
I won't post all the details of the race here, since it will just turn into a "BS" session, but I now believe this thing is faster than I thought it was.
I wouldn't run around and act like an *** to every SS owner out there trying to run him, BUT given the chance, I wouldn't turn it down either.
the race only went from a stop to about 80 MPH. (so maybe it is from 80 and UP that the SS is supposed to KILL the Z, I don't know).
could have just been the driver though to.
Well, I played with one today, Black SS (latest version) stick with LOAD as hell Exhaust/headers (it even "popped" giving the Pop pop pop sound when slowing). I was affraid to play at first then went ahead with it. The redults where much better than I thought they would be (the thing was freaking LOAD!!!!).
I won't post all the details of the race here, since it will just turn into a "BS" session, but I now believe this thing is faster than I thought it was.
I wouldn't run around and act like an *** to every SS owner out there trying to run him, BUT given the chance, I wouldn't turn it down either.
the race only went from a stop to about 80 MPH. (so maybe it is from 80 and UP that the SS is supposed to KILL the Z, I don't know).
could have just been the driver though to.
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I see no reason not to believe a 350Z vs. a relatively stock LS1 kill. It looks like plenty of you guys are running high 13's and it's not like you can stick a monkey in an stock/lightly modded LS1 f-body and get the low 13's they're capable of.
As for the exhaust, I wouldn't assume the car had headers. I've got a relatively quiet catback on my car and it's still very loud compared to just about any street car out there. My car also "pops" on decel, especially when it's warming up. LS1 cars with full exhuast are ungodly loud - we're tallking rattle the fillings out of your teeth loud.
As for the exhaust, I wouldn't assume the car had headers. I've got a relatively quiet catback on my car and it's still very loud compared to just about any street car out there. My car also "pops" on decel, especially when it's warming up. LS1 cars with full exhuast are ungodly loud - we're tallking rattle the fillings out of your teeth loud.
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Originally posted by Caswell
I see no reason not to believe a 350Z vs. a relatively stock LS1 kill. It looks like plenty of you guys are running high 13's and it's not like you can stick a monkey in an stock/lightly modded LS1 f-body and get the low 13's they're capable of.
As for the exhaust, I wouldn't assume the car had headers. I've got a relatively quiet catback on my car and it's still very loud compared to just about any street car out there. My car also "pops" on decel, especially when it's warming up. LS1 cars with full exhuast are ungodly loud - we're tallking rattle the fillings out of your teeth loud.
I see no reason not to believe a 350Z vs. a relatively stock LS1 kill. It looks like plenty of you guys are running high 13's and it's not like you can stick a monkey in an stock/lightly modded LS1 f-body and get the low 13's they're capable of.
As for the exhaust, I wouldn't assume the car had headers. I've got a relatively quiet catback on my car and it's still very loud compared to just about any street car out there. My car also "pops" on decel, especially when it's warming up. LS1 cars with full exhuast are ungodly loud - we're tallking rattle the fillings out of your teeth loud.
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My Z28 would pull the best in 3rd and 4th gears. 1st and 2nd gears were all wheel spin. My maxima could keep up with the Z28 till 50ish and that was the slow one. So unless the LS1 has sticky tires on it, a race from 0-60 is very close. I will have to say a 70 mph punch with a 6 speed LS1 would require big hp to match.
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just curious, been kind of hard to follow the post. But what do you mean when you say "load". You refer to it quite a few times, and I don't know what you are talking about. Also did you beat the SS?? and by how much?? You didn't mention the outcome at all.
Just curious
Just curious
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I ran a 12.4 at 113 back when i only had headers/exhaust and intake, so either he was spinning, didnt know how to drive or something like that, cause i havent heard of any Zs running 12s lately (N/A at least), but anyways a kill is a kill, so good kill...
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Originally posted by camaro_ss01
just curious, been kind of hard to follow the post. But what do you mean when you say "load". You refer to it quite a few times, and I don't know what you are talking about. Also did you beat the SS?? and by how much?? You didn't mention the outcome at all.
Just curious
just curious, been kind of hard to follow the post. But what do you mean when you say "load". You refer to it quite a few times, and I don't know what you are talking about. Also did you beat the SS?? and by how much?? You didn't mention the outcome at all.
Just curious
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well now that puts everything into perspective. Still curious as to the outcome of the race. Where you ahead, him?by how much??
you can IM me the results if you don't want to step on any toes in the forum
you can IM me the results if you don't want to step on any toes in the forum
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I don't want to step on anyones toes but LT1 cars pop VERY badly on deceleration while still in gear (every LT1 including stock LT1s pop badly)...my LS1 doesn't pop at all on deceleration
ANyhow not sure what happened with your run....maybe a few more details.
If you won good kill....if not nice death.
ANyhow not sure what happened with your run....maybe a few more details.
If you won good kill....if not nice death.
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Originally posted by JamRWS6
I don't want to step on anyones toes but LT1 cars pop VERY badly on deceleration while still in gear (every LT1 including stock LT1s pop badly)...my LS1 doesn't pop at all on deceleration
ANyhow not sure what happened with your run....maybe a few more details.
If you won good kill....if not nice death.
I don't want to step on anyones toes but LT1 cars pop VERY badly on deceleration while still in gear (every LT1 including stock LT1s pop badly)...my LS1 doesn't pop at all on deceleration
ANyhow not sure what happened with your run....maybe a few more details.
If you won good kill....if not nice death.
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the headlights and tail lights are different.
the headlights are the most noticable difference, on the older LT1 models the headlights are square and recessed in the bumper. On the LS1 models the headlights are an oval type shape and sit basically flush the the front end.
The tail lights are slightly different as well. I could be wrong because maybe 97's tail lights are different. But the LT1's taillights have this pattern:
redred white
redredredred
while the LS1 models look like this
redred white
redred yellow
I hope you can understand that, but I do believe one year of the LT1 they changed the tailights
also I think the LT1 cars' side mirrors are not color matched to the car, they are black. Not 100% sure on this one though.
Thanks
the headlights are the most noticable difference, on the older LT1 models the headlights are square and recessed in the bumper. On the LS1 models the headlights are an oval type shape and sit basically flush the the front end.
The tail lights are slightly different as well. I could be wrong because maybe 97's tail lights are different. But the LT1's taillights have this pattern:
redred white
redredredred
while the LS1 models look like this
redred white
redred yellow
I hope you can understand that, but I do believe one year of the LT1 they changed the tailights
also I think the LT1 cars' side mirrors are not color matched to the car, they are black. Not 100% sure on this one though.
Thanks
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Originally posted by camaro_ss01
the headlights and tail lights are different.
the headlights are the most noticable difference, on the older LT1 models the headlights are square and recessed in the bumper. On the LS1 models the headlights are an oval type shape and sit basically flush the the front end.
The tail lights are slightly different as well. I could be wrong because maybe 97's tail lights are different. But the LT1's taillights have this pattern:
redred white
redredredred
while the LS1 models look like this
redred white
redred yellow
I hope you can understand that, but I do believe one year of the LT1 they changed the tailights
also I think the LT1 cars' side mirrors are not color matched to the car, they are black. Not 100% sure on this one though.
Thanks
the headlights and tail lights are different.
the headlights are the most noticable difference, on the older LT1 models the headlights are square and recessed in the bumper. On the LS1 models the headlights are an oval type shape and sit basically flush the the front end.
The tail lights are slightly different as well. I could be wrong because maybe 97's tail lights are different. But the LT1's taillights have this pattern:
redred white
redredredred
while the LS1 models look like this
redred white
redred yellow
I hope you can understand that, but I do believe one year of the LT1 they changed the tailights
also I think the LT1 cars' side mirrors are not color matched to the car, they are black. Not 100% sure on this one though.
Thanks
it was NOT stock, but maybe the exhaust was more for sound/show and NOT go??
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All catbacks should give about the same amount of power, within a couple of horses. The biggest difference would probably be the weight of the catback. My dual/dual exhaust is easily twice as heavy if not even heavier than my loudmouth on there now. If it had headers, then you would see a bigger difference in the output of the exhaust performance.
I have SLP longtube headers on, and from my personal experience with my car and other cars with basically the same mods. I have come to the conclusion that these headers suck! I hope to get a new set soon and quick up quite a bit more power.
I have SLP longtube headers on, and from my personal experience with my car and other cars with basically the same mods. I have come to the conclusion that these headers suck! I hope to get a new set soon and quick up quite a bit more power.
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97 Camaros used the newer tailight design and also had the "lip" on the spoiler. The "tacked on piece" you describe isn't available on SS but only on V6 and Z28 as an "appearance option".
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I was almost sure the 97 went to the new tail lights but wasn't 100%. Thanks for clearing it up for me. And the SS spoiler should be raised up in the center and doesn't go down the sides of the car at all.
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Originally posted by JamRWS6
97 Camaros used the newer tailight design and also had the "lip" on the spoiler. The "tacked on piece" you describe isn't available on SS but only on V6 and Z28 as an "appearance option".
97 Camaros used the newer tailight design and also had the "lip" on the spoiler. The "tacked on piece" you describe isn't available on SS but only on V6 and Z28 as an "appearance option".
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Originally posted by camaro_ss01
I was almost sure the 97 went to the new tail lights but wasn't 100%. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
I was almost sure the 97 went to the new tail lights but wasn't 100%. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Im guessin it was a 97 or under.
I just raced a 01/02 SS and I think he had a sh*tload of mods, it was loud and he had a bunch of different tacks on his left pillar.
We went from a roll at about 40mph in 2nd, he took me by about 1 1/2 car, although i was starting to pull in 4th.
We went from a dig and I instantly got a 1/2 car in 1st and we were even in 2nd, then i missed 3rd, but im sure he would have had me by about 2 cars before 5th,
the sick thing was his car damn near looked like it was about to lift off the ground every time he would shift, including 3rd into 4th, havnt seen that yet with the cars ive already raced
I pulled next to him at the next stop light, he was some young kid, i was on the rich side of town, so im guessin mommy bought it.
He said it was stock, i was like yeah riiiiiiiiiight.
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I just raced a 01/02 SS and I think he had a sh*tload of mods, it was loud and he had a bunch of different tacks on his left pillar.
We went from a roll at about 40mph in 2nd, he took me by about 1 1/2 car, although i was starting to pull in 4th.
We went from a dig and I instantly got a 1/2 car in 1st and we were even in 2nd, then i missed 3rd, but im sure he would have had me by about 2 cars before 5th,
the sick thing was his car damn near looked like it was about to lift off the ground every time he would shift, including 3rd into 4th, havnt seen that yet with the cars ive already raced
I pulled next to him at the next stop light, he was some young kid, i was on the rich side of town, so im guessin mommy bought it.
He said it was stock, i was like yeah riiiiiiiiiight.
94 Cobra
H/C/I
4.10's
mac headers
bassani x-pipe
chip
BBk suspension kit
Nitto's
2in drop
damn it and i still lost
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Originally posted by Cobra94
Im guessin it was a 97 or under.
I just raced a 01/02 SS and I think he had a sh*tload of mods, it was loud and he had a bunch of different tacks on his left pillar.
We went from a roll at about 40mph in 2nd, he took me by about 1 1/2 car, although i was starting to pull in 4th.
We went from a dig and I instantly got a 1/2 car in 1st and we were even in 2nd, then i missed 3rd, but im sure he would have had me by about 2 cars before 5th,
the sick thing was his car damn near looked like it was about to lift off the ground every time he would shift, including 3rd into 4th, havnt seen that yet with the cars ive already raced
I pulled next to him at the next stop light, he was some young kid, i was on the rich side of town, so im guessin mommy bought it.
He said it was stock, i was like yeah riiiiiiiiiight.
94 Cobra
H/C/I
4.10's
mac headers
bassani x-pipe
chip
BBk suspension kit
Nitto's
2in drop
damn it and i still lost
Im guessin it was a 97 or under.
I just raced a 01/02 SS and I think he had a sh*tload of mods, it was loud and he had a bunch of different tacks on his left pillar.
We went from a roll at about 40mph in 2nd, he took me by about 1 1/2 car, although i was starting to pull in 4th.
We went from a dig and I instantly got a 1/2 car in 1st and we were even in 2nd, then i missed 3rd, but im sure he would have had me by about 2 cars before 5th,
the sick thing was his car damn near looked like it was about to lift off the ground every time he would shift, including 3rd into 4th, havnt seen that yet with the cars ive already raced
I pulled next to him at the next stop light, he was some young kid, i was on the rich side of town, so im guessin mommy bought it.
He said it was stock, i was like yeah riiiiiiiiiight.
94 Cobra
H/C/I
4.10's
mac headers
bassani x-pipe
chip
BBk suspension kit
Nitto's
2in drop
damn it and i still lost